Simviation Forum - Amph. Bouncing landings

Dec 14^th, 2004 at 7:50am

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Dear real and sim. Pilots,

How do I stop the Cessna Amphibian FS9 plane form bouncing in landing on land, or soild runway? I land at about 65 knots and hold the nose up letting it settle down. Maybe the plane needs stronger shocks or something? Other Amphibian planes don't bounce at all.
Any helps here for a sim bush pilot JFG.

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Reply #1 - Dec 16^th, 2004 at 12:24am

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ive never had any trouble with the default amphib myself. The best way to cushion is to just almost completely minimize your descent rate few feet off the ground at idle...

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Reply #2 - Dec 17^th, 2004 at 7:28am

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Thanks Rocket_Bird,

I did as You say, and landed at almost stall speed, but it was important for me to not do this until I was about 1/3 the way down the runnway, then cut to idle and not pull up, but let the plane level off and land.

Thanks again, now I just need more practice, landing on land.
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Reply #3 - Dec 17^th, 2004 at 1:06pm

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It just takes some practice. Any airplane will bounce if you land too hard or too fast. The amphibian is probably more prone to bouncing because it has less shock-absorption in the main gear, and you usually try to land at a flatter angle to prevent scraping the end of the floats. Just keep trying and you will get it one of these days.

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Reply #4 - Dec 18^th, 2004 at 6:42pm

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Actually, in real life, the flare (for smaller aircraft) is stalling it. Everytime I flare on landing (in real life) I hear the whistling sound of the stall warning.

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Reply #5 - Dec 18^th, 2004 at 10:00pm

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Actually, in real life, the flare (for smaller aircraft) is stalling it. Everytime I flare on landing (in real life) I hear the whistling sound of the stall warning.

Partially true, but if the aircraft were to actually stall while flaring the nose would heave down and probably collapse the nose gear (in a trike) or cause a big time prop strike (in a conventional aircraft). You hear the stall warning because you are slow and close to the critical angle but not all of the way there. If you've ever shot a hot approach you would notice that you don't hear the stall warning on flare.

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Reply #6 - Dec 18^th, 2004 at 11:03pm

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Right-o. If you've ever done a full stall you will notice you get the full-on-really-loud-buzzer, but on your flare you should hear it intermittently, just coming on and off, like what happens if you've been watching Top Gun too much and get a little attitude-happy on rotation.

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Reply #7 - Dec 24^th, 2004 at 1:51pm

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Besides leveling off from descent, is a flare also acting to increase drag, i.e. using the whole plane and wingspan as it's own airbrake like a bird does? Just want to be sure on this. Thanks.

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Reply #8 - Dec 24^th, 2004 at 5:16pm

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Yeah, you could say that by exposing more of the body to the oncoming air it is increasing drag, but the purpose of increasing drag is to decrease VS and airspeed (the exact purpose of a flare), so basically yes.

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Reply #9 - Dec 29^th, 2004 at 7:53am

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Thanks for all pilots and sim pilots replies.
Now I can appreciate a good landing and all the stuff that goes with it. I can now land the Cessna Amph. at around stall speed.
You guys sure make Sim flying more real for me. You see I can't fly or probably will not even be flown any where, because I have an innner ear balance problem most all my life, do take medicine for it but must watch thing that cause problems like lots of pressure and rapid movements, even in the Flight Sim games.

Thanks again, JFG.

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