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Reply #15 - Dec 14th, 2004 at 6:22pm

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I wouldnt worry mate, most topics go off topic here very quickly. Smiley

LOL Probably my fault. It usually is. Roll Eyes In fact I found it very interesting & make no apology for it. Tongue Wink

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I thought that OTTOL made a pretty good job of it. He is a professional commercial pilot.
 

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Reply #16 - Dec 14th, 2004 at 6:29pm

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LOL it was informative no arguments there.
As for the other comment, more a generalised one for future referance, although topics may quickly go off in another direction, fear not as the original one will have more than likely been answered:)
 
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Reply #17 - Dec 14th, 2004 at 6:33pm

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In fact I found it very interesting & make no apology for it

lol, fair enugh
 

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Reply #18 - Dec 14th, 2004 at 8:16pm

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KEEP THEM ENGINES RUNNING. ALL OF THEM!

Well, now, if youīre talking about commercial-jets with two, three or four engines, an engine shut-down at 35000 feet - or at any altitude above ground - usually means that you should immediately go through the emergency-procedure list very fast, and - always remember this - very carefully. And then do the right things in right order.

YOU CANīT AVOID TAXIING... (or death - but thatīs not the issue here)

Taxiing an airplane on the ground is basically just like moving any big pile of metal from one place to another, except, instead of dragging or pushing it, you are able to use the planeīs own energy-source to move it around. I donīt think the airlines would mind if their planes were hauled by trucks all the way from the gates to the runways and vice versa, if it was possible - that way they would save quite a lot of fuel (ie. money), but for the time being, the engines are still used.

NOTHING KEEPS YOU FROM FLYING IT FOR REAL!

So, taxiing is just an obligatory thing you must do to get that pile of metal airborne. Once you get airborne, you are FLYING an AIRPLANE! Your plane has then reached its own natural element and itīs not a pile of metal anymore. But you yourself have entered a whole different new world. And in that world the laws of aerodynamics rule above all others.

Your airplane - whatever type she happens to be - has been planned and built by professionals, so donīt worry - she will do her stuff. But remember -  youīll have to give her a few things, too. Basically, youīll have to give her three things she really needs to take good care of you.

Those three things are: AIRSPEED, ATTITUDE and ALTITUDE - and they all go hand in hand. For instance: if your attitude is wrong, you will first lose either your airspeed or your altitude, and eventually both of them... etc. - Iīm sure you can figure the options out yourself...

Oh well, I sure could go on and on, but maybe some other time. So I let this be "part one", but in the meantime - watch your airspeed and keep them engines running. All of them!  Wink
 

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Reply #19 - Dec 14th, 2004 at 9:30pm

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Nicely put JerryO!...though losing an enginein  a 747 does not require an emergency procedure/checklist
Heck some ferryflights are done with just 3 engines operating  8)
 
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Reply #20 - Dec 14th, 2004 at 9:38pm

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I found this out on Airliners.net forum of the same topic.
They said that generally taxiing on one engine is not economical for BOEING aircraft.

BUT, they also said, that the power of Airbus engines at idle is sufficient enough to taxi on one engine if need be. Now, for all who are argueing one engine taxiing, it is happenning in the real airliners, Delta for example.

So i don't think taxiing on one engine is as bad for the aircraft as some people are saying. (jets only)

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Reply #21 - Dec 14th, 2004 at 10:30pm

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Ahh..Airliners.net..the place where every poster knows everything about anything.  Roll Eyes

My Boeing 737 manual says that
"Single engine taxi may be used unless gross weight, temperature, or other conditions make it impractical or unsafe. Generally, single engine taxi will result in less overall fuel consumption and is appropiate in most taxi situations"

HOWEVER, the 777 manual claims that taxiing with an engine shut down is not allowed, because of "additional operational procedural requirements and crew work load"  So different techniques applies to different aircrafts.
Though it's okay to taxi with one engine inoperative  Smiley

But you gotta keep in mind though when taxiing with one engine: It's flat out stupid to ignite the other one as you are entering the runway. Especially high by-pass engines needs several minutes to "warm up" before it's safe to apply take off thrust.
 
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Reply #22 - Dec 15th, 2004 at 1:07pm

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YOU CANīT AVOID TAXIING... (or death - but thatīs not the issue here) 


Yes you can - buy a Harrier...
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Reply #23 - Dec 15th, 2004 at 1:36pm

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Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin... you really got me now! Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin... Iīm speechless... Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
 

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Reply #24 - Dec 15th, 2004 at 5:09pm

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LMAO Grin Grin
 

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Reply #25 - Dec 16th, 2004 at 12:37am

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Heres my two cents on the topic.  The purpose of having two engines (or more) in the first place is that if one failed, the other one you can still use to get you home.  At 35000 feet, and if your only running 1 of the 2 engines, and that engine flames out, first of all you are going to have a lot of screeming passengers when your generator, lights, and electronics go out.  Second, firing up the engines again when this happens is time consuming and dangerous, and very often your aviation authorities will most certainly consider that to be unsafe. 

From the mechanical approach to this, the aircraft wouldnt be designed to take such an uneven load in the first place (for your usual flights), but once again, in an emergency, the other engine will take you home.
 

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Reply #26 - Dec 16th, 2004 at 11:46am

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i didn't read all the replies above, but this is what i know about this...

I heart they do it on the CRJ (i guess any version) because it's a little 'overpowered'. even with one engine on idle, this plane keeps running. on the ground it's easy, but in the air at FL350 it's a whole different story! first of all the asymetric flying. pilots are trained to be able to fly a jet on one engine, but it's not very handy. second it's dangerous. what if the #2 fails? you can start up the other one again, but i think that's not worth the risk and time... Wink
 

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