Simviation Forum - 7E7 and A-380

Nov 21^st, 2004 at 5:29pm

Ben_M_K Ex Member

Hi,

I was wondering where I can find a list of airlines that have orders for the 7E7 and A-380.

Thanks! Grin

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Reply #1 - Nov 21^st, 2004 at 5:56pm

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I'd try the Boeing and Airbus web sites - they're bound to have them somewhere - maybe in press releases...

Charlie

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Reply #2 - Nov 22^nd, 2004 at 1:48pm

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Possibly as charlie says thier websites, usally at this stage a full list of all airlines who purchased the aircraft arnt available. Your best chance is to try google. Sorry im not much help but you could try individual airline websites.

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Reply #3 - Nov 22^nd, 2004 at 3:39pm

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Looking at the Boeing website, orders for the 7E7 are 2 for Air New Zealand and 50 for ANA (as of 16 Nov 04)

From the Airbus website, one can deduce that they've had 129 ordrs for the A380 from Singapore Airlines (10 - launch customer), Malaysian (6), Emirates (43), Virgin (6), Lufthansa (15), Qantas (12), FedEx (10), ILFC (a leasing company - 10), Korean Air (5), Qatar (2)and Air France (10). Etihad have signed a Memo of Understanding to order 4.

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Reply #4 - Nov 22^nd, 2004 at 6:40pm

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Thanks man!

I'd like to see some American carriers like United or North West. I would not have guessed that FedEx would have orders. Roll Eyes

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Reply #5 - Nov 22^nd, 2004 at 6:45pm

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United cant afford the A380 and Northwest have no use for it, the 747 fits in perfectly for the Asia routes and the A380 would be too big. Fed-ex were one of the first to say they were going to order some as it will make a good trans-pacific freighter from Memphis, which i am quite pleased about as i should be in the area when they start flying them there:)

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Reply #6 - Nov 22^nd, 2004 at 7:00pm

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Yeah I guess your right. I dont know the most about airlines and the situations they are in. Tongue

Lucky you to be able to see that beast fly. Do you think any other American carries might order the A-380?

Moving to the 7E7, does anyone think it will be a big sucess? I dont know what to think of it. It looks nice, but...

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Reply #7 - Nov 22^nd, 2004 at 7:04pm

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I can see maybe one american carrier picking it up but not before 2010.
As for the 7E7, i think its going to be huge, its going to replace so many aging aircraft fleets 767/757/A300 older 737's maybe the A310. And with airbus still deciding on whether or not to begin work on the A350 i think boeing are now just firming up a few more orders. I think the key thing is that the 7E7 is a completley new plane where as the A350 is just going to be a new A330. which is really just the longer range 250 seat market.

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Reply #8 - Nov 22^nd, 2004 at 7:57pm

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The only thing that the A380 has to overcome, is infact one of its biggest advantage: Its SIZE.
Today, not that many airports can accomodate an aircraft of that caliber. Everything from catering to bagage-handling has to improved and at some airports (Frankfurt, for example) they are already running the those things at 110%.

The 7E7, too early to tell. It's looks to be a magnificent aircraft, it's obviously not going to be a bust...but my optismism is more dampered than Craig's.

The danger with this is that if Airbus succeeds with upgrading the A330, then Boeing will have absolutely nothing, nada, zip, as a backup. The 737 orders are already shrinking, and NOBODY places an order for a 744 since there are hundreds of them in Mojave etc. Is the 777 and its deratives enough to save them...nope.

It's also more economic to have an all Airbus fleet than an all Boeing, in terms of crew training and transitioning.

SAS, for example, uses the same crew for their A333 and A343 flights, very cheap and efficient

Time will tell gents, but it's important to remember that these 2 aircrafts are not competing for the same contracts, really 8)

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Reply #9 - Nov 23^rd, 2004 at 4:05am

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With the current situation I think many operators will leave the 380 til more airports are upgraded, and with the 7E7 being a change in direction for Boeing I think we'll see the orders really come in one they are in initial service...

Charlie

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Reply #10 - Nov 23^rd, 2004 at 5:41pm

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What are the major differences between the A330 upgrade (A350, which would probably be an A300 replacement) and the 7E7? Are they not targeting the same sort of market?

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Reply #11 - Nov 23^rd, 2004 at 5:48pm

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My statement was about the A380 and the 7E7, sorry for not being clearer

You are correct that the A-350 will compete head-to-head with the 7E7, and I think it stands a good chance. The A330 series has a tremendous reputation amongst pilots and passengers alike

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Reply #12 - Nov 23^rd, 2004 at 5:51pm

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the big differance is bleedless engines. As it stands they wont be on the A350 or so airbus designers are predicting. Its a big gamble for all involved in the project, if it works then its advantages will be huge if it doesnt work, then the 7E7 will be a reincarnation of the MD11. so much potential no actual performance Roll Eyes

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Reply #13 - Nov 23^rd, 2004 at 5:56pm

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You are correct that the A-350 will compete head-to-head with the 7E7, and I think it stands a good chance. The A330 series has a tremendous reputation amongst pilots and passengers alike

I think Airbus are being quite pragmatic with the 350 as I believe from some of the early reports that is based around the 330/340 series (obviously being a twin like the 330)

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Reply #14 - Nov 23^rd, 2004 at 6:00pm

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it is basically an upgraded A330, its predicted to have lighter materials and new engines. Personally i dont see the point. Just shove the engines on the A330(yes it could be done) and there ya go. Saves the $3.3 billion that europe has promised for it. Wonder how quick that'll be yanked if the A380 fails

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Reply #15 - Nov 23^rd, 2004 at 6:09pm

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Personally i dont see the point. Just shove the engines on the A330(yes it could be done) and there ya go. Saves the $3.3 billion that europe has promised for it. Wonder how quick that'll be yanked if the A380 fails

I suppose its a cheap way to counter market the 7E7 - change the materials of some parts and redesign the wing tips, very much as Boeing did on the newer 737s.

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Reply #16 - Nov 23^rd, 2004 at 7:11pm

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I suppose its a cheap way to counter market the 7E7 - change the materials of some parts and redesign the wing tips, very much as Boeing did on the newer 737s.

Boeing did a TAD more than that to the 737NGs

Regarding bleedless engines, how will they solve the air conditioning and anti-ice issues?
Any schematics on that?
Maybe electromagnetic or vibrating deicing will be introduced on commercial airliners, or even the weeping wing Grin

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Reply #17 - Nov 24^th, 2004 at 4:18am

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Boeing did a TAD more than that to the 737NGs

Sorry, rash generalisation on my part there! Grin

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