FS ATC is so amazingly stupid that it will tell you to join a circuit one way while other traffic is going the other way.

Complete rubbish.

I have to say the only place I would say that FS ATC is realistic would be over France and Spain in the summer holiday season. I thought I had a near miss there, but another aircraft flew between us so I'm not sure

On the run from the CAA AGAIN Stiz?

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You are BOFH AICM5P 


Kev

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Sorry?

yeah me neither???

Ahhh, the horrible ATC.  They sometimes dont even know how to navigate the mountains... I forget where it was but at one point I was in a A340-600 on ILS aproch...They told me to decend to 2000 feet.  Soon after I look up to see a nice 4000+ tall mountain within a few thousand feet.  Even pulling up didnt help, it was to late

LOL.. BOFH.. So what does AICMP5 mean?

LOL..

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Pfft, were you on an IFR flight plan?  If not, ATC is not required to give you advisories like that(even when you ARE on an IFR flight plane they're not required to give you advisories like that).  You shouldn't have been flying an airbus near the buildings anyway, they won't move for it! If you don't know anything about real world ATC, don't make assumptions.

People in building 
Airbus Lover  8)
People in buidling 
Airbus lover  8)
People in buidling 
Airus lover  MOVE STUPID BUILDING


O yea, and what CHOMP_ROCK said. 

Hehe, , this is a good topic. I got so frustrated with it that I just never use the ATC directed ILS approaches any more.

My first experience was making a simple flight from San Diego (Lindberg Field) to John Wayne airport in Orange county- about a 25 minute flight.

Slammed me right into the side of a mountain- invisible on a moonless overcast night- about 10 miles east of the airport.

Whats funny is even if you see an obstacle coming and successfully avoid it, the ATCer loses patience with your tardiness in following the last instruction and discontinues directing your flight.

This ATC snit can be avoided by repeatedly asking the ATC to repeat the last instruction until you are clear of the mountain/building/whatever and back on track.

I confess that I almost never use the ATC controlled ILS flights anymore- although I do still use the ILS aproaches- but I get myself into the glide path on my own.

Plus, after getting FSNav early on, I am getting pretty adept at choosing safe waypoints for approaches in mountainous areas like the Rocky Mountains- one trick is to program waypoints along rivers when possible during final decent and approach.

ATC controlled ILS aproaches can be quite accident free though, especially in relatively flat areas- like the low atolls and such of the South Pacific- and the Sahara Desert, too! Hehe! Watch out for intermittent sand dunes though!

Cheers,
Chris

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Umm. so you seriously believe that ATC will just sit back and watch as you descend through the MSA's...try again lad. They will be on your case like the IRS 

I'm starting to come to a convlusion after reading the posts in this thread and it is:

The ATC all hate there jobs and get rid of all the planes so they can home. 

Stiz

Ok Nexus, what I mean is that in VFR conditions you're not going to hear "Umm, airbus 13, there's a giant building at your 11 0'clock, report it in sight"

Note how I said ATC DOES provide seperation between you and terrain objects.  Normally.  Sometimes. There have been a few cases where aircraft, under IFR, have slammed into the side of a mountian. just read about a hawker that did that departing, umm, LA i think it was (may have been further north-think it was actually) and he went right into the side of a mountain.  Just a few days ago, a kingair on approach not equipped with a TCAS(I think that's it; if it's not then it wasn't equipped with whatever the terrain avoidance system thing is) crashed when it got too low and fell into trees.  Not that I'd ever question your expertise o Nexus, but seriously ther's no way ATC provides seperation between you and buildings like it was a traffic advisory. Why?  First is actually if you're under vfr there's no chance in hell, and second is you wouldn't be anywhere close to tall buildings in the first place.

btw, im not just runnin my mouth here i just had a 4 hour ground and it was all about ATC and flight planning.

Beefhole, take a minute and ask yourself
How often does an Airbus fly VFR?

You got knowledge, but learn to use it

Oh btw, the "Traffic thingee" is TCAS (Traffic and Collision avoidance system), GPWS is the ground Proximity Warning System and that would've saved that King Air 

What kind of King AIr was it?
Because if that aircraft had 10 seats or more it MUST have an approved GPWS system, according to the FARs, and AFAIK, King Airs do have more than 10 seats, don't they?

You answered your own question with your question!!

MIKE