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Reply #15 - Nov 11th, 2004 at 5:20pm

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Reply #16 - Nov 11th, 2004 at 5:48pm

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Reply #17 - Nov 11th, 2004 at 8:03pm

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Reply #18 - Nov 11th, 2004 at 10:09pm

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I think even having ATC in FS was a very good thing. I suggest you put up or shut up about how "bad" the FS ATC is! I'd like to see you guys program better!
 

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Reply #19 - Nov 11th, 2004 at 11:05pm

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ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh. i just did a test flight somewhere in sydney, and i the ATC said nothing but let me slam into the freaking building. I hate da ATC and i which i could configure it somehow. BLASTED ATC


Pfft, were you on an IFR flight plan?  If not, ATC is not required to give you advisories like that(even when you ARE on an IFR flight plane they're not required to give you advisories like that).  You shouldn't have been flying an airbus near the buildings anyway, they won't move for it! If you don't know anything about real world ATC, don't make assumptions.

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People in buidling  Shocked
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People in buidling  Shocked
Airus lover  Angry MOVE STUPID BUILDING
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O yea, and what CHOMP_ROCK said.  Grin
 
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Reply #20 - Nov 12th, 2004 at 12:16am

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I agree with the guys complimenting the programers.  I am also getting a good laugh reading about the problems some people have had.  This should be a regular topic discussion "How ATC ruined the flight."  HAHA
 
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Reply #21 - Nov 12th, 2004 at 2:46am

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Hehe, Grin, this is a good topic. I got so frustrated with it that I just never use the ATC directed ILS approaches any more.

My first experience was making a simple flight from San Diego (Lindberg Field) to John Wayne airport in Orange county- about a 25 minute flight.

Slammed me right into the side of a mountain- invisible on a moonless overcast night- about 10 miles east of the airport.

Whats funny is even if you see an obstacle coming and successfully avoid it, the ATCer loses patience with your tardiness in following the last instruction and discontinues directing your flight.

This ATC snit can be avoided by repeatedly asking the ATC to repeat the last instruction until you are clear of the mountain/building/whatever and back on track.

I confess that I almost never use the ATC controlled ILS flights anymore- although I do still use the ILS aproaches- but I get myself into the glide path on my own.

Plus, after getting FSNav early on, I am getting pretty adept at choosing safe waypoints for approaches in mountainous areas like the Rocky Mountains- one trick is to program waypoints along rivers when possible during final decent and approach.

ATC controlled ILS aproaches can be quite accident free though, especially in relatively flat areas- like the low atolls and such of the South Pacific- and the Sahara Desert, too! Hehe! Watch out for intermittent sand dunes though!

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Reply #22 - Nov 12th, 2004 at 8:39am
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I usually don´t fly big jets, so i mostly fly without ATC or VFR, and it´s not too bad, there i think, but i think that´s because I don´t care about many things they say, I care for he RWY Number, and if I´m allowed to do sth.
But what I wonder about, is how you can operate ATC with Helicopters, once in real I heard an Heli chat on ATC, so they´ll have to do, too.
 
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Reply #23 - Nov 12th, 2004 at 10:08am

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Pfft, were you on an IFR flight plan?  If not, ATC is not required to give you advisories like that(even when you ARE on an IFR flight plane they're not required to give you advisories like that).  You shouldn't have been flying an airbus near the buildings anyway, they won't move for it! If you don't know anything about real world ATC, don't make assumptions.

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People in buidling  Shocked
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O yea, and what CHOMP_ROCK said.  Grin


Umm. so you seriously believe that ATC will just sit back and watch as you descend through the MSA's...try again lad. They will be on your case like the IRS  Grin
 
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Reply #24 - Nov 12th, 2004 at 12:44pm

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i finally have to thank the ATC even though it is very stupid. Shocked Shocked I was on approach with a CX 777-300 after a  usual flight between Hong Kong and San Francisco. I was doing my final procedures and just before the short final i suddenly spotted an A340-300  taxiing out to the runway. It was almost completely on the runway and i was "thanking" the ATC for a wonderful job of letting me crash.  i was about 64.5 feet of the ground and i was in complete shock for about a second becuz the next second atc told me to do a go around. i fortuneately pulled up just in time. even though i found the ATC quite stupid in FS2k2 i must admit it saved my long flight from a complete disaster. Cheesy Cheesy


PS: i couldn't get any screenshots becuz i was sweating like s**t from head to toe.

 
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Reply #25 - Nov 12th, 2004 at 1:45pm

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I'm starting to come to a convlusion after reading the posts in this thread and it is:

The ATC all hate there jobs and get rid of all the planes so they can home.  Grin

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Reply #26 - Nov 12th, 2004 at 3:35pm

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I'm starting to come to a convlusion after reading the posts in this thread and it is:

The ATC all hate there jobs and get rid of all the planes so they can home.  Grin

Stiz


*Gasp* Since when did you know!?! *runs away*
 

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Reply #27 - Nov 12th, 2004 at 4:09pm

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Ok Nexus, what I mean is that in VFR conditions you're not going to hear "Umm, airbus 13, there's a giant building at your 11 0'clock, report it in sight"

Note how I said ATC DOES provide seperation between you and terrain objects.  Normally.  Sometimes. There have been a few cases where aircraft, under IFR, have slammed into the side of a mountian. just read about a hawker that did that departing, umm, LA i think it was (may have been further north-think it was actually) and he went right into the side of a mountain.  Just a few days ago, a kingair on approach not equipped with a TCAS(I think that's it; if it's not then it wasn't equipped with whatever the terrain avoidance system thing is) crashed when it got too low and fell into trees.  Not that I'd ever question your expertise o Nexus, but seriously ther's no way ATC provides seperation between you and buildings like it was a traffic advisory. Why?  First is actually if you're under vfr there's no chance in hell, and second is you wouldn't be anywhere close to tall buildings in the first place.

btw, im not just runnin my mouth here i just had a 4 hour ground and it was all about ATC and flight planning.
 
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Reply #28 - Nov 12th, 2004 at 4:16pm

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You've come to a what? Convulsion / Conclusion or something different? Soz couldn't resist....  Tongue  Cheesy  Smiley  Grin
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Reply #29 - Nov 12th, 2004 at 4:44pm

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Beefhole, take a minute and ask yourself
How often does an Airbus fly VFR?

You got knowledge, but learn to use it Wink

Oh btw, the "Traffic thingee" is TCAS (Traffic and Collision avoidance system), GPWS is the ground Proximity Warning System and that would've saved that King Air  Wink
 
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