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Oct 18th, 2004 at 9:42am

Staiduk   Offline
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'Lo all!

On the 10th anniversary of my Grandfather's passing; I was reflecting about how much he changed my life; at least from an aviation perspective.

I'll talk about it in a sec; but briefly, I was thinking about how we as students learn from our seniors. Often - for the lucky ones at least - there are those seniors who give us lessons we don't learn in the regular course of flight instruction. These older, wiser folks - our mentors - give us something of great value; lessons which we might not even realize until years later.

If you've had this experience; who was your mentor and what did he/she teach you? What lessons did you learn from him? Smiley

I'll start, of course:

Let's say this straight out: I haven't got many pleasant memories about Harold Norman Organ.
To be blunt; he wasn't much of a Grandfather; surly, rough, sarcastic, unloving. Wasn't; I've since learned, any great shakes as a bush pilot either;  he was a highly competent pilot but a miserable instructor - didn't have any patience at all with students - and passengers rarely gave him high marks either. I've since learned his navigation wasn't exactly what you'd call brilliant - he didn't have the patience for the math; he was very much an 'it's that-a-way' type of pilot.
(This was back in the '50's; BTW.)

Let's face it - his personality sucked rocks.  Roll Eyes



Still; while he wasn't exactly Mr. Rogers; I count him as one of the most important influences on my life in aviation - both in my personal flying ability and the fact I never made the attempt to go commercial. IOW; he was both a positive influence and a negative one there.

But for now; I just want to deal with the positive.
He was a wizard in weather; and on floats. He had a real 'feel' for flying; and had quite a list of stories of short field flying experiences I've on occasion been able to confirm.
I like to think I inherited something of that 'feel' from him. Smiley
I remember back in '83 when I had my first flying lesson. I was just a kid of course; I didn't do much more than hold the stick going 'Ooooooo!' but I was nevertheless terribly excited about the whole thing: my journey to becoming a spaceman had begun! Grin
Well; I was so happy I blabbed all about it next time we went up to his cottage (now mine) on the Kawarthas - we met there practically every weekend. He listened; nodded; didn't say anything.
Without a word; he got up from his rocking chair and stumped into his bedroom.
I was shocked - I couldn't imagine what I'd said wrong!
A few minutes later, he came back with an old brass thing I'd seen on the rare occasions I was allowed into the bedroom and put it on the table in front of me.
It was a sextant.
"You going to be a pilot, or are you just going to give it up like other kids?" he asked me point-blank.
"No, I'm going to do it!" I insisted; "I'm going to be a fighter pilot!"
"Then use this," he said. "Kids don't know how anymore. It's yours." He settled back into his chair and said, "All that electric crap's OK I guess, but you wanna fly up here; you gotta know how to get by without it. It conks out you need a way to get back home without it - and that way's right here!" and he whacked me on the head. "Don't use that damned VOR stuff, use a map. Don't use a damned calculator, learn the sums. Get a slide-rule and learn that too - kids can't use them either. Use your head, right? You always come back that way."

 

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Reply #1 - Oct 18th, 2004 at 9:45am

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I lost the sextant in a burglary several years ago; but I remembered the lesson. He never trusted electronic aids;  he honestly thought it'd become a 'point-to' device and everyone would stop using compass and chart. While I don't agree with him of course; the lesson - learning and trusting your own skills rather than simply relying on technology - holds. (I never did get the knack of using a sextant in the air; though it's not for lack of trying. Cheesy )

A few weeks later; I was given a rare treat - Grandfather rented a floatplane and brought it down to the cottage to take me flying!
It was too long ago; I can't remember what kind of an aircraft it was but I'm pretty sure it was a Scout. Anyway; the flight was absolutely terrifying; I didn't know then he was right on his last legs as a pilot; in fact he lost his lisence due to age later that year after bashing hell out of a float on a rock. (I think he was 78; but Im not sure.) But during the flight; he was giving me control; and yelling like hell over his shoulder the whole time whenever I got something wrong; which was pretty much the whole time. I personally think we landed not because he was done flying but because his voice gave out. Grin It was the one and only time I'd ever flown with him; thank God.
But during the flight; he kept drumming one rule into my head: I was trying to get him to explain what he wanted; and asking questions about controlling the attitude. Back safe on dry land; he said "It ain't the attitude of the airplane you've got to control, boy - it's the attitude of the pilot!"
It took me years to figure out what he meant; but another lesson well learned.

Soon after I got my lisense; (helped or hindered by the old bastard - I can't really figure out which); I came to visit him. By this time he was ill and on his way downhill fast. I told him about the flights I'd made; how I'd been able to take all my friends up, etc. He gave me a last lesson.
"Look," he told me, "You think you know how to fly just 'cause a piece of paper says you can. Well, you can't. And you won't until you decide you can't yet. You fly until you get a hundred hours in your book - did you fly a hundred hours? Or one hour a hundred times? You've been doing that. Doesn't matter what you do; each flight's a mission. Take off, do what you came to do, land. Don't just joyride; you'll never learn anything."


He started to forget who I was a few months later. He died in '89.
While I'll never lift a glass to the old SOB (There were familiy matters involved) and will never think on him with fondness; he did teach me some very important things about flying and for that; I'm grateful.
Now if only the bitter old ass hadn't gone on for hours about 'goddamned button pushers' and the rest of his opinions regarding professional pilots; I might've had more initative to try to fly professionally. Grin
As it was; when I didn't qualify for the Air Force I enlisted in the Infantry instead and never regretted it a day. But I still remember what he taught me; and strive to pass it on to the new generation. It's the least I can do; I figure. Smiley

OK; your turn - who influenced you; how and why? Smiley

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Reply #2 - Oct 18th, 2004 at 12:11pm

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That's a great story Staiduk. My mentor was a man I respected from when I first met him. He was only a small man, less than 5 foot tall, & I towered over him but to me he was a giant. That man was Cecil Pashley, one of the British pioneer aviators & at the time I knew him the most experienced flying instructor in the world. He was self-taught & teaching others to fly in 1910, in an aircraft he built with his brother who was killed in WWI. Some of those early pupils went on to be more famous with the general public than he ever was. Although he did many other jobs including a "crazy pilot" in the 1930s he made his name instructing. There used to be a saying "Pash-taught & you can fly anything". He taught service pilots in both world wars & was instructing well into his 70s when I knew him.

I had the honour of working for this man for 2 years when I first started in the aircraft industry in 1960. He taught me a lot, not only about flying but as a role model. You might say he was my hero & my inspiration. I still have a great deal of respect for him although he died 30 years ago. They don't make 'em like that any more.

I've searched but there's very little information on this wonderful man. (The fact that the perimeter road at Shoreham Airport is named Cecil Pashley Way doesn't help.) There was talk of a biography some years ago but I can't find any information on it. My one regret is that I did nothing about this myself. His widow died only last year (at the age of 103 I believe) so it's unfortunately too late now. This is one of the very few references I can find.
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The brothers Eric and Cecil Pashley must be reckoned among the pioneers of British Aviation. When Shoreham Aerodrome came definitely into being they set up a school of their own, where they taught several people, who turned out, ultimately, to be good pilots. They built a bi-plane of their own on the general lines of a Farman, and with it they became excellent, if somewhat rash pilots.   But their rashness consisted in playing tricks in the air which to-day would appear harmless enough, compared with the every-day acrobatics of service pilots during the War. The Pashley School was going well and looked like becoming a success, when war broke out and the R.F.C. took possession of the Aerodrome and all thereon.

The two brothers left Shoreham and eventually Cecil became senior instructor of the Grahame White School. Eric went to Vickers' School at Joyce Green, where he became an exceedingly clever pilot of Vickers' gunmachines. In 1916 he was given a commission in the R.F.C. and soon turned out to be a first-class pilot.   He was killed in action in France on Saturday, March 17th, 1917. During the comparatively short time he was in the R.F.C. he accounted for ten enemy machines and on two occasions rescued photographic machines from superior enemy attacks.


Here's a small photo of Cecil & his brother Eric in the aircraft they built. They used to give pleasure flights in this from Worthing beach long before WWI.
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PS. I just found this photo of my mentor in his younger days. It's not dated but I think it must have been taken before WWI. A copy of it hangs in the terminal building at Shoreham.
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Reply #3 - Oct 19th, 2004 at 8:05pm

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Hi Hagar - Man; lucky you to train under someone like that!
I'm curious - you said you worked for him; what did you do?
I like that bottom pic - it's hard to judge from a picture of course; but he's got that 'devil-may-care' look down pat; looks like the kind of guy that could fly like an ace and raise 8 kinds of hell on ground - I like him already. Wink

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Reply #4 - Oct 20th, 2004 at 5:53am

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Hi Hagar - Man; lucky you to train under someone like that!
I'm curious - you said you worked for him; what did you do?

I was born lucky. They say it's better to be lucky than rich. Roll Eyes Wink

I was the oily rag, what they call a hangar rat these days. Pash (or Sir as I always called him) was proprietor & chief flying instructor of the Southern Aero Club at Shoreham. As a callow youth of 17 I was responsible for the daily maintenance, refuelling, swinging props, strapping in pupils, teaching basic navigation & any other odd job I was told to do. I taxied the club aircraft (we had 3 Tiger Moths & a Beagle Terrier) about a mile from the hangar to the clubhouse & back again every working day for something like 2 years so I reckon to know a bit about taildraggers. I worked from 9 am till dusk 6 days a week including weekends & bank holidays so never saw much of my friends. The wages were pitifully low but I knew they couldn't afford to pay me more. I had flying lessons from the Man himself to make up for it. Unfortunately I had to make a decision. Either stay where I was & get my instructors ticket or concentrate on engineering. The engineering won.

I have many fond memories of my time at the club & might post a few here later. The ones I most treasure were on winter mornings when I went over to light the fire in the clubhouse. This was another of my many jobs. Mr Pashley would make us both a cup of coffee & once the fire was blazing we would sit down & he would reminisce about the old days. He told me a lot of things I've never seen in print & I only have my memory to back them up. One thing always surprised me. He told me he really wanted to be an engine driver. The main railway line runs right along the south boundary of the airfield & if he heard the steam express go through (we still had steam locos in those days) he would rush outside to watch it with a glazed look in his eye. Wink

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he's got that 'devil-may-care' look down pat; looks like the kind of guy that could fly like an ace and raise 8 kinds of hell on ground - I like him already.

You got that about right, although he was always safety-concious & never took risks. He said what he thought & didn't suffer fools gladly. This didn't make him popular with everyone & I knew some people who hated the sight of him. That was their loss as they never got to know him. He had a wonderful sense of humour & never lost the twinkle in his eye. My type of person. I'm sure you would have liked him too.
 

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Reply #5 - Oct 20th, 2004 at 7:04am

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Hmm tough one, for me it was a Wing Commander (I can't read his name in my log-book, I think its Smythe) who worked at 5AEF (Air Experience Flight) in Cambridge and as an Air Cadet (a loooooong time ago) took me on my first set of AEFs.
He broke most of the rules in the book, like Cadets shouldn't take control on their first flight or do aerobatics.
His attitude was that you could either fly a plane or be a passenger, and he didn't like passengers. My first flight in a Chippie he let me take control as soon as we were off the deck, and then made me practice loops and stall-turns (I've been hooked ever since, as we all well know Grin).
Every trip I took up to 5 AEF I would get paired off with him, he drilled me mercilessly to do each aerobatic trick to perfection, if you flew well he said nothing, but screw-up and he'd let you know Grin
I learnt all the fundamentals and quite a few handy tricks from him, and I wish I could meet him to shake his hand, he really helped me to understand the aircraft, and not to fight it but try and reason with it.
I became much more analytical in my approach to flying and lost the Top Gun try and yank the controls off their mountings syndrome.
A great pilot, and a fantastic instructor.

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Reply #6 - Oct 20th, 2004 at 10:17pm

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mmm....I actuall yhaven't had a 'flight minded" mentor, but I have def. had a positive experience with my late grandfather.  He taught me just about everything there is to know about cars, machining, and life in general...

Specifically he taught me many quirks and idiosyncrosies associated with both of his old cars which now that he is no longer with us, me and my dad have to maintain...

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Funny how he never mentioned why there were clothespins clamped all over the fuel line...

(Later found that it is there to prevent vapor lock...)
 
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