Member Fli_girl has been banned.

Believe me this was no innocent genuine girl. He/she was a troll who wanted lots of attention. The picture was a scan from a cheap UK porno newspaper - The Daily  Sport. (though it could have come from anywhere & don't bother visiting the website - it's big time full of trojans & mega popups   )

We had been monitoring this situation for overa week & doing some research. Unfortunately some members reacted too quickly & we have lost at least 2

- 1 - Rollerball (Roger Mole) was a Major contributor to FS in general - creating among others the wonderful Hong Kong Kai Tek airport scenery. Rollerball could see what was going on here - some who slated him could not.

its amazing how much of losers some poeple are really p*sses me off too glad the mods figured out and acted accordingly

That's not bad.  This is bad...

Yahoo Forums...

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ditto.

I re-did my post in edited screenshots....

I hope you'll forgive me pete...

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Of course !!    It wasn't you I was thinking of at all - ..... Your post in fact gave us the opportunity to tell the whole funny story

Your post was how we mods were all thinking at the start of this ... & as far as I know you didn't slate Rollerball -


At the end of the day it's a small storm in a teacup - barely anyone will have noticed all this & it's time to move on  8)

You have no IDEA of how glad I am that i stayed out of this mess. But now I gotta say a couple of things.

We lost Stormtropper and Rollerball, two members which I will deeply miss. I really hope they will come back 

Mods should take a lesson out of this aswell. I can't believe how they came to "fli-girls" protection like puppies and turned their backs on a LOYAL member like Rollerball. That's unbelievable and should not happen at all
Ender's lack of should I call it "professionalism" was obvious. He let his personal feelings intervene and misused his "powers".
The ciritizism is harsh -  I'm aware of that...but you should know me by now, that I'm always straight forward.

Mods screw up this time, and it costed the SimV community dearly

Wherever you are Storm and Rollerball, please consider the idea of coming back.

It's not that we came to her protection simply because he was acting like a girl.  He hadn't done anything to cause a commotion and as far as we knew, was a perfectly legitimate member.  We had our doubts, but there was no proof.  When the whole thing flared up, we tried to curb it, but it got out of hand with incredible speed.  Remember, this is Thursday and Tuesday, no one knew anything about it.  We had no choice but to attempt to protect a person who possibly had done nothing more wrong than post a fake photo.  Other than those suspicions, this whole thing rather came from left field.

Jordon, we can't start a flame war over this,...........
We are Mods!     

Dave

BRING IT ON, BABY!

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That's really his marmalade-thrower

I was a little suspicous of Fly_Girl myself.
After a while, I looked at the picture a little more closely, and I noticed how big... well, you get the point.  I also noticed that after a week or two, the bottom of the picture was lowered more to show more cleavage.  That's when I really started to wonder.

Not only was it the picture, but it was how she was acting so innocent and cute.  She acted like a real(excuse me for saying this and if anyone has a problem with it, I'm not trying to be rude, sorry) ditz.  Honestly, I'm not very suprised at all.  Kudos to the mods. for realizing it and getting rid of them, even if someone thinks it took too long.

BTW, and I'm sorry for asking, I'm confused (if this is a sensitive subject, feel free to not respong).  Why exactly did Rollerball and Stormtrooper leave?  I too will miss them and their contributions for the SimViation and FS community.

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B777,

Not to drag this out too much ........ since I expect this whole thread likely will be deleted very soon.... it is all basically "dirty laundry".....and it is close to time to throw it in the washer.

Why?  At the core..... because some idiot decided it would be "fun" to play the troll bit...... and screw up some people's friendships and a comfortable place to hang out.


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Every legitimate and sincere member of SimV contributes to the community.... and it is a loss to see anyone leave over such stuff and in such a manner.

best,

...................john

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Thanks now I'm convinced 

Sleep tight.

You protected the wrong guy.
You protected the scammer to the last minute, but did not hestitate to bash Rollerball.

Is that what you get when being honest and straightforward  ???
Because that's what happened here. Roller said what most of you suspected, you cannot deny that.
But what did he get for that?
He got whipped, that's what happened...and thats's why I am sad and upset.

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This obsession with marmalade cannot be healthy, even for a moderator.  I would suggest Ritalin.  

Well I don't know what to say....
I thought the wretch was a true person. I can't believe how cunning this person really was, I know trolls are cunning - but I was completely taken on board. He/she carried me all the way - dumb idiot I am. I'm being more careful in the future anyway.

Rollerball, Stormtrooper - Please come back and stay. Otherwise this wretch will have suceeded in doing what they intended. Don't let them have any more sucess.
I'm sure you won't and I'm sure we'll all be the more wiser and the more careful in the future.

Ben 

Here is somewhat of a "Time Line" again for those who think we were sitting on the pot the whole time!


1. For three weeks our new member Fli-Girl was just a normal newbie. Her sig shot was manipulated by somebody so the mods started a thread in the admin forum to start to converse about it. These conversations are not about marmalade bombs or drinking till we fall down, they are conversations about members, which Mod is going on vacation, messages from Pete, touchy topics. etc... So the "responsible" mods along with Pete tried finding out who possibly was "annoying" Linda. Be it male or female, it is not tolerated here! We all received Pm's from her saying it was OK and she appreciated the support.

2. Last week somebody contacts us and brings to light that the picture in Fli-Girls sig is a porn star and supplies a link and Pictures! Thus, our Fli-Girl thread starts to grow asking for proof and trying to find out what is really going on. Not that an image in a sig is offensive, but with all the "immature and aggressive" behavior by some members to wards Fli-Girl, we were trying to get to the bottom of it. Jeez, Fli-Girl post a picture and has a thread running three pages long in four hours!! Come on guys, this is not high school! It is an international Flight Sim Forum with many different ages and genders. Yes the Nice Shot posts were there, but some members were trying to get a rise out of her responses. She contacted a few of us saying that she had received a few PM's from somebody but did not want to say!

3. STILL, no reason to cause concern or alarms on the boards to anybody, nobody was doing anything wrong as of yet. Fli-Girl was playing nice so we just kept monitoring it. I say again, we are not going to slap a picture of a porn star up in the Café and say "Look, the real Fli-Girl Exposed"! We had no proof and we were still waiting for Pete to confirm IP Addresses, similarities, etc.. By doing just that we would be totally out of line and we would be jumping the gun.


JUST A NOTE, STILL NO MODS KNOW OF ANY WRONG DOING GOING ON AS SOME HAVE EXPRESSED!!


4. This Tuesday 10-12-2004, seems we get confirmation, not 100%, but it is pretty good that there is a real close similarity that Fli-Girls shot is A porn star!. OK, still not really a big deal. Why start any trouble. Members have pics of many different things in their sigs, so Fli-girl has a porn star. She never claimed it to be her. All Mods & Pete decided not to start a "Witch Hunt" because Fli-Girl had really done nothing wrong.

5. Wednesday morning Fli-Girl is called on her picture asking, "Why is there a picture of Nadine Jensen in Fli-Girls Sig". The  Mod forum starts deliberating on now what to do. Other members start to see that Fli-Girl might not be Fli-Girl. After the Brad-Kimber incident, I can see why! Still, Fli-Girl has not responded to any accusations so why have any cause for alarm. We certainly have not heard from any of the members who left that there was some serious issue at hand!

6. As Wednesday moves on, a thread is started in The Café questioning Fli-Girls picture. Members start jumping on the bandwagon but the thread seems to be going along. Why "lock a Topic" where nothing really bad is going on. Hey, members are just asking Linda what she is about. I can see a few members a little peeved that she might be trying to fool us and I do note that some are for Fli-Girl, and some are against. Still, we have had disagreements before, but usually members do act maturely. It is now close to 5PM and I need to log off and go home. I do see anew post from Fli-Girl in the forum saying, "My Last Post" or something like that. Yes she does start defending herself and names Roger and some others. Now if she is legit, she has every right, but if she is a troll there is some explaining to do!!  Now I could lock it but why, nobody is screaming yet!! I need to get home now so I log off! A message is posted in the Admin forum to keep an eye on the thread. Still nothing real bad is going on.


Still no reason to do anything, we don't know any more or any less than the day before!!

Good documentation job, Dave... and thanks for taking the time to do that.  


Roger,

It is a great loss to SimV that you are leaving.  You will be missed.  Your contributions to the sim community are great.  I would hope that you would reconsider.... but that is a decision that you have to make to fit your values.  

I am sorry that you feel that we did not handle things well.  All I can say is that we did our best given the balancing act necessary.  If anyones "reputation" could stand up here on SimV to anything a person like Fli_Girl could have said to or about you...... yours would certainly be.

I agree completely that "censorship" is a difficult and dangerous situation.  That is why it is only undertaken as a "last resort" and why some "inflamatory" posts between members are left standing either for a while or forever.

Sometimes it is like being a doctor and making hard decisions...... you have to decide when to use chemotherapy ....and when to excise the cancer.

There is also an interesting "Internet Forum" phenomona at work here, I think.  Responses to what is happening on the same topic in many parallel threads at the same time often ends up in a post in a single thread.  

So sometimes something that is said is actually directed toward or based on the knowledge of what is developing in multiple places.  So a comment that would be clear when put into the context of ALL the threads might not be read the same by someone who is only aware of the content in ONE thread.  That, I think, can sometimes lead to misunderstandings.  

Again I hope you'll reconsider.  If not.... it has been my pleasure to know you over the time I have spent here.



Stormtrooper,

I was very impressed with your dignified response to any possible "indescretions" on your part.  I am a 'student" of Japanese culture.... and I see your response as a bit akin to the samurai act of seppuku (ritual suicide).

What you basically did was apologize for any part you might have played in this mess, say that you could not "live" with the "loss of face",... and commit "virtual suicide"... by simply and quietly leaving and deleting your account.

No arguments.  Just an apology for anything that you either did or might have done.  Impressive.....and showed a lot of maturity.

You too are/were an important part of the SimV community, and we would hope that you would reconsider also.



The only one that we are THRILLED to see gone is Fli-Girl ....whomever he/she happens to be.  May he/she rot in marmalade  .  My guess is that an ongoing IP investigation will eventually lead to a postive ID.


best,

...................john

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woodlouse,

I'll forward you a copy...... you got a clean 120Gig hard drive? 

best,

....................john

To all mods and Pete....thank you for dealing with this as you have.  we are all blessed to have this leadership here at simV.

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Scott, did you not read where I said we were only somewhat sure on Tuesday Morning!  ???

Did I not type over 1500 words trying to explain this
If you perceive us a dropping the ball than so be it. I have said what needed to be said and if anybody has issues with the entire "drama Show" that played out here the other night, they can contact me.

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, maybe that explains why so many of you are,... upset yourselves.  The troll got us all at the same time! You, me , Roger and everybody Else that was poisoned by this entire event!

BTW, How is the Virtual Airline going Scott? 
 

Dave   8)

can we please put an end to this?  we all know what happened, so lets just move on... this post event deliberation is making the situation even worse... what the troll wanted was disunity in the forums, and i hope we don't progress to that, so in our best intrests we should just drop it. 

jake

I would like to say we are only human, and until the last day or so, things were relatively calm, and while we tried to find the truth, which is something we as mods and admin, should do for all members, even if suspicions of being a troll are making its ugly face known.

T here are no forums that are immune to these kind of problems, and luckily SIMviation has been the most easy going problem free forum that I have had the pleasure of being a member of. There are many people that have a wealth of information that they readily lend to those in need and are always extending a welcomed hand for those new to the site. So many times I have gone to a forum that has a sopecific subject and posted a "hello" type of thread with bits and pieces of in need of help, only to be ignored completely. I never did get that hereand since day one, I have met many many virtual friends with a similar passion in the area of flight simming. This site is one of a kind.

Roger, I sent you a message that I hope you get the chance to read. My neglecting to say anything to the troll about what she said about you and anyone else she mentioned is my own fault and i accept that, and ask forgiveness, for you like me are human. I had a lot going on that evening, and just so happened to check the forums, only to find a boiling cauldron.

To everyone, that visits here, rest assured we were doing everything we could to ge to the bottom of what was going on. Yes there were probably some things we could have done better, but as a whole, with what resources we had, and the fact that we could not be face to face across the globe to discuss everything before everything broke loose, I personally think that we did the job we thought was best, unfortunately before we could come up with a decision, and have pete give the go ahead, things went south, and from what Dave has said, they went south quickly.

I will say this, it has been a learning experience for me, and I am sure just about everyone involved be it a moderator or a valuable member of the community as well.

---Stephen

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Ender, IMHO it is a mistake for you to resign as a mod so quickly.  I feel that you are kind of a victim of bad timing and that you did nothing wrong.  I too tried to stand up for the troll thinking they were a legmitate member-because they really hadn't done anything wrong (at the time) and seemed defenseless (call me nieve if you want).  I don't think that you should feel like you need to resign.  The comments you made were done before you became a mod and you had no idea that they might be held against you.  Personally, I have been viewing this whole sequence of events (quietly) and it just seems like it was bad timing for everything that happened.  Once again, I think you should reconsider before resigning-you are a valued member of this forum and I think you will be a great mod.

Phew - I was just about to write you a 'must stay note too'. The last thing we want is for anyone more to resign. The wretched guy would be still achieving his evil ends, wow - He's even got a mod out! Imagine!
Everyone makes mistakes, you did your best for the good of the community as did everyone else. We're all sorry for our wrongs and apolagised for those of us who stuck our foot in it. We're all in the same basket - and  now its time to put this behind and try and get our former friends back.
Now, we've all learnt a great deal and we'll be all a tad wiser for the next troll that comes along. I can assure you it won't be long. This makes two we've had this year alone.

Anyway - we've all shaken hands and are friends.

Cheers

Ben

I agree. Lets lock this now.