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Organisations...War Crimes type.... (Read 2435 times)
Oct 8
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, 2004 at 10:30pm
Flt.Lt.Andrew
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Had Germany won the war, would the SAS , SOE and M Special Unit been classified by them as Illegal Criminal Organisations as the Gestapo and SS were?
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Oct 9
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Umm.....no?
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Oct 9
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Probably not. The SAS, SOE and the rest of those organisations fought the Germans and only attacked military targets. The Gestapo and the SS were far less careful over what they shot at.
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I'm sure they would. I believe the SAS was already regarded as a bunch of resistance fighters (terrorists) & not subject to the Geneva Convention for PoWs. Even if they wore uniform, members of the SAS unfortunate enough to be captured were likely to be shot.
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I'm sure they would. I believe the SAS was already regarded as a bunch of resistance fighters (terrorists) & not subject to the Geneva Convention for PoWs. Even if they wore uniform, members of the SAS unfortunate enough to be captured were likely to be shot.
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Hitlers infamous 'Commando Order' explicitly said that commandos should be wiped out, or if any were captured they should immediately be handed over to the SD (Securitheit Dienst) for a 'chat'.
The same applied to SOE agents.
After the war several former members of the SAS were involved in tracking down and bringing to justice ex-Gestapo/SS/SD officers for their crimes against their SAS colleagues... it is horrifying to think how low people can sink and what they can do to one another
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Oct 9
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, 2004 at 12:23pm
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(Securitheit Dienst)
Sicherheitsdienst.
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Oct 9
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Sorry Björn
My German is v.rusty, I'm amazed I nearly got it right
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Sorry Björn
My German is v.rusty, I'm amazed I nearly got it right
Not quite - it didn't have the right "sneeze" sound quality that Sicherheitdienst" has ...
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Oct 10
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, 2004 at 2:32am
Flt.Lt.Andrew
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Ja, du kommst aus Deutschland, ja?
Mmmm....I had a feeling that the Commando Order issued by mustouche man would stand after the war, even tho they weren't "less careful who they shot at" than the SS.
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Oct 10
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, 2004 at 2:49am
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Ja, du kommst aus Deutschland, ja?
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, 2004 at 12:30am
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I don't doubt for a second that the Nazi regime would have hunted and attempted to assasinate or imprison any member of a British intelligence organization that it could find.
If Germany had won the war these people would doubtless have been flown to America in advance for the same reason.
Similarly, the Nuremberg war crimes trials were an American/British/French check on the Soviets, who would have been inclined to sentence any German soldier to a firing squad. I may be incorrect but "World at War" told me that only 10% of (Soviet) captured German soldiers lived to be repatriated - propably to East Germany.
The Soviets would, of course, have made special plans for Hitler and the high command.
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Oct 11
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, 2004 at 1:42am
Flt.Lt.Andrew
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Yes, I do remeber that World At War episode- they said they (the Russians) would get rid of 5000 General Staff (OKW) - as you said, the Western Alllies were a check on the Russians...but I think more than 10 % survived Russian imprisonment, I remember hearing that they were quite decent to the Regulars who fought at Stalingrad, tried to convert them to Communism...unfortunatly those who said "nien!" were ostracised and beaten up...though on the trains back to Deutschland, there were bodes of big commie germans on the tracks...the old stonies who said no to communism killed the german oppresors...wie interessant....
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Nov 10
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The winners are always right; therefore it sounds very likely to me that organisations like SAS would have been treated like a terrorist organisation if Hitler had won the war.
But what I dont understand is (for example) that there are still numerous monuments in the UK representing Air Marshall Arthur Harris, aka as "Bomber-Harris". From 1942 on, he introduced a new strategy which consisted in destroying the citys of germany in order to demoralize the people. Those raids culminated in the destruction of Dresden in 1945. Dresden, with a population of 600,000, was the refuge for about another 600,000 people, families fleeing from the russians. Only in one night, nearly 300,000 civilians died from Harris´bombs.
This is, not only in my eyes, a warcrime. Nevertheless, England won the war; Harris became a national hero.
The winner is always right.
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You could argue that if the Germans hadn't bombed London and then started to attack other cities (after the RAF had given Berlin a taste of the same medicine) that this policy would never have come into force.
Also the fact that all the towns attacked had major factory installations vital to their countries respective war efforts, and that many of the workers in these places would live in those towns could constitute a legitimate target. Both sides took that view....
But as you say the winner writes the history book
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