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Oct 1
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I got (2) 512MG PC400 DDR installed in my AsusA7N8X Deluxe mobo. Manual states it also supports PC3200/2700/2100 DDR RAM memory. Question: Is one type significantly better over the others?
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PC3200 I think. Its the fastest. Bigger number is best.
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I take it you mean you have PC4000ddr in there? or do you mean ram running with an FSB of 400?
Basically you want ram that matches the FSB of your CPU. i.e. if your cpu is has a 400MHz FSB you want PC3200 which is also 400MHz. If you put slower ram i.e. PC2700 333MHz FSB your system will not be in synch and will not run as well.
It goes the other way too, if your CPU is 400MHz then there is no point putting in ram that is over 400MHz FSB i.e. PC4000 which is capable of 500MHz FSB. Your PC will actually slow the speed of the ram to match the CPU, so you have wasted your money!
The only time you should get ram with a higher FSB than your CPU is if your planning to overclock your system. You usually bump up the FSB when overclocking so you require ram that is capable of higher speeds. Also somtimes you can buy higher speed ram and though it clocks the FSB slower you should be able to tighten the timings a lot to give better performance and the ram still run stable.
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Oct 1
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Gixer:
Spec on my memory modules read as follows:
PC400512MB DDR . I have two installed.
My CPU: AMD Athlon XP 2600+
400*/333 MHz FSB Support (*PCB 2.0 or later version)
I believe I have the PCB 2.0. My Bios frequency setting is at 133MHz, Multiplier in Auto. Do I have the correct type DIMM modules? From what you said, I should be using a PC2700DDR. Would it make any significant improvement to change from the PC400DDR to the PC2700DDR?
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Ok I have never heard of PC400 so I take it the ram is probably capable of 400FSB speeds (PC3200)
This shouldnt cause you a problem as your CPU is only 333FSB so it will just down clock its FSB to match it. On boot up you will get a load of white writing on your screen saying how much ram etc you have. It will mention your FSB speed (Well mine does so i am hoping yours will) read this. As long as it says 333 your ok.
If you did have PC3200 ram then its likely you could tighten your ram timings to make it work more efficiently, but if your new to overclocking and playing around in BIOS I wouldn't bother as you could end up making your system unstable and not know how to fis it!
Also if that mobo is capable of running the memory in Dual Channel modem, ensure you have the ram in the correct slots. Refer to your mobo's reference book for this, it should say which slots to use. You should gain about 4-5% performance boost from running in Dual Channel.
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ANY DIMM stick will switch down to the maximum speed the MOBO can handle or the max speed of the slowest installed DIMM
This has certain limits, as they usually take the closest pair: 400/333, 333/233, 133/100.
Doesn't really matter if you put faster DIMM in a slow MOBO, just check if the MOBO speed is supported
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??? ??? ??? ???
Gixer:
Something seemed screwy here. The packge label for the subject memory module listed it as: 512MB/PC3200 DDR while the label right on the module itself liste it as:
PC400 512MB DDR. Are these the same and one?
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is the same... bus speed is 400MHz
Should be written as PC3200 DDR400 though
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Oct 4
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Yup as Ivan said it is PC3200 stuff which has an FSB of 400. They just written it weird on the ram. Looks like the ram is slightly wasted as your CPU is only 333MHz FSB but dont worry about it as it will all run fine the way it is!
Its only if your ram is slower than the CPU you got problems.
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Oct 5
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Here is the funny thing though Bubblehead..........
It will actually run faster if you slow the RAM down.
Your CPU and front side bus run at 333mhz.
In most AMD rigs, the RAM run at the same speed as CPU and FSB produces a "syncronised" system and it will outpace any other configuration on the PC.
The reason is that the faster ram data has to be re-calculated at the lesser bus speed and this slows performance.
The PC3200 400mhz DDR RAM modules you have are over-rated for your PC........... but...........
If you learn about the RAM timings as Gixer suggested earlier, you'll find you can get some of that locked in performance back out of it.
You need to set the RAM (memory speed) to 333mhz in your bios manually to obtain the highest performance as it will almost surely be set now to configure automatically to 400mhz via the RAM chips SPD module.
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Congo if its set to SPD it will clock the ram to the same speed as the CPU
I dont know any mobos that will allow the ram to run at a higher speed than the CPU. They all let it run slower but never faster
Edit: And where you been? I notice your MSN name keeps changing lmao. How many formats you gonna do? 8)
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Oct 6
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Sure Gixer, lots, and I thought most modern boards will run the ram faster than the CPU. Check it out.
What I was reffering to was the RAM, if configured by
SPD, will run at it's default or "safe" timings.
Those timings can be over-ridden by setting them manually. So, if you have PC3200 running at a lower speed,
then the timings would be able to be tightened up without problems.
I've been absorbed in the inner workings of IL2-FB, and I also
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Oct 6
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I cant get the FSB of my ram running faster than my CPU ??? and I got a pretty up to date mobo. Saying that mine is AMD64. Maybe the Pentiums can, and I dont know enough about the Pentium setup to comment, though I have heard that the CPU and ram can run outta sync ok on Pentiums.
Yeah you can only format so many times before it gets boring. I went through a phase of doing it when I had 98se trying to only get what stuff I wanted on my system. Now I try to format at most once a year! Its getting hard work re-installing all my FS2004 stuff each time.
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Oct 6
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Gixer,
That's because your mainboard supports UP TO PC3200 at standard clock speeds, and because it's 64bit, that may be all it supports, not sure about your particular board.
Take the nVidia nForce2 Ultra 400 chipset as an example, as it is a common and typical chipset.............
It supports 200/266/333/400 mhz FSB speeds and RAM speeds up to 400mhz (PC3200).
Say I drop in an XP2600+ CPU...... and then add PC3200 RAM....... it will happily run the CPU and FSB at 333mhz while the RAM itself is clocked at 400mhz.
VIA, SIS and many others will do this and have been doing it for a few years.
Another example is the P4 Northwood CPU based chipsets which ran on a 533mhz FSB while the RAM was typically running at 266mhz (PC2100), but then they would also run the faster, newer RAM modules as they became available or affordable.
Take a 800mhz P4 based rig, which is meant to run PC3200 ideally, yet it will happily run with PC2700 installed (though performance will be compromised), as will a 400mhz FSB AMD CPU based rig.
As for the SPD module, (a tiny black chip on each ram stick), it simply supplies information to the mainboard so that (when SPD is enabled in BIOS settings) the mainboard can resolve the best safe speeds to run the ram at.
If the hardware configuration is non-standard, or non-ideal, the SPD should be switched off and the RAM timings should be done manually if possible. Some amount of experimenting here is usually done to obtain the fastest timings possible which do not produce errors. Benchmarking tools are required to get evidence of performance differences at different timings.
The non-standard (well, sort of) hardware environment of a 333mhz AMD CPU running PC3200 (400mhz) RAM is what I was refering to in this post, and theoretically at least, the PC in question should run better with the RAM running at 333mhz, (in Syncronisation with the CPU and FSB speeds) and the latency timings set manually and overclocked.
The RAM in question may very well handle the overclocked latencies without error, simply because the RAM is now running under it's rated maximum speed.
(now at 333mhz instead of 400mhz).
Clear as mud?
You might remember a while back when VIA brought out an AMD based chipset (KT400*?) which ASUS promptly made a high spec board with. There was considerable debate on the very marginal increase in performance obtained when PC3200 was installed on the system, which did not support 400mhz CPU's (they hadn't yet been released) and the system's were really a 333mhz machine. Other and later chipsets produced better performace with the Speeds all set in sync as far as I'm aware.
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I see what your saying there
I just thought that mobos wouldn't let the ram run at a higher speed than the CPU.
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