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Sep 19th, 2004 at 12:53pm

GrtZucchini   Offline
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I’ve reached the point, first with FS 98 and now with FS 2002 that I can fly and land at least a few of the aircraft but, after many attempts to pass the checklist flights and plan and fly an IFR flight plan I find that I have a big problem in really understanding the FS program – in making it all come together.  Here are just a few of the problems I have:

I can’t find any decent charts other than those few as are used in the manual for the lessons and adventures..  Neither the charts to be found in Flight Planner (nor the Nav Log) show ILS frequencies or runway numbers.  Even following the ATC messages I’m never sure if I’m approaching the correct runway or have Nav 1 set correctly.  The net resources referred to either offer the same incomplete charts or require purchase of life-like facsimiles.

From my experience of trying to use navigation instruments while skipping around the country I conclude that the program only supports a limited number of airports with VOR, ILS or ADF facilities, the reasons for which I can readily understand.  If I’m correct, is there anyway to determine which ones they are?

I could recite many other aggravations but would ask if there is anyone that has written a few scenarios, like the “walkthroughs” available for adventure computer games that lead one thorough the process step-by-step, not only for the flying aspects but also describing the proper use of the program – Click here, Enter this, Change that, Open this etc.?  Failing that, a source for airport descriptions with runway numbers, ILS frequencies and headings, would be helpful.  From a previous posting I see fsnavigator is a source but I don’t want all of that, just for a few airports that I like to practice with like Tampa, Milwaukee, Minneapolis, etc.  I can’t even find any details for O’Hare.

One other thing, the voices in the lessons and check flights are difficult for me to understand (all other sounds and voices in ATC are OK except they sometimes stutter).  In the “Help” index I found that CTR-Y should give me closed captions    – only it doesn’t work.  Any advice on how I can overcome these frustrations? Thank you.









 
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Reply #1 - Sep 19th, 2004 at 2:23pm

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Hi.... In flight simulator there is an entry on one of the top inflight menus called flight map (I think.) That can give you the freq's. I REALY would reccomed FSnav, it is the best tool around. Honest.... BTW, some of the checkrides are imposible to pass....
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Reply #2 - Sep 19th, 2004 at 8:18pm

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I recommend FSNav too, but if you dont want to spend the money you can get the same info from the map (the icon that looks like a compass).  It's slow and lame and that's why people get FSNav.

If you want the info on, say, Tampa, just start a flight from there.  Before you take off, open map mode.  That will give you all of the information that FSNav will give you - headings, radio frequencies, etc.  It's just a lot slower.  I write down all of that info for my frequent airports anyway.
 
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Reply #3 - Sep 30th, 2004 at 5:27pm

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Thank you Dan & Jim, I now can find the maps though I agree, it's a slow and lame way to do it but, for now, it will have to do.  I'm still running into other little frustrations, for example:

In "Map View" I can sometimes zoom in to the airport far enough to identify the runway numbers.  At other times I can't??

The tower will give me taxiing instructions but I can't find the taxiway designators.  Maybe it makes no difference because no one ever scolds me for going  anywhere I want.

When creating a flight, for example, IFR from LaGuardia with a touch and go at Teterboro and on to a landing at Newark, after creating the Teterboro waypoint by moving the red flight course line, the waypoint is shown on the NavLog but then lost when I start to fly even though I "saved" the flight..  I'm routed directly to Newark or, in one instance, to McGuire!!  I now I must be doing something wrong but can't determine what.

As I said initially, the flying is the easy part but trying to learn the program is a bear.
 
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Reply #4 - Oct 1st, 2004 at 4:11am

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You can also get the information about airports from real life sources such as:
http://www.airnav.com/airports/ and
http://www.naco.faa.gov/ap_diagrams.asp

There are similar resources around the world for some countries.

You can even get the sectional maps of the USA online at:
http://aviationtoolbox.org/raw_data/FAA/sectionals/current/

When the ATCO sends you direct to Newark, it is just the AI in the program trying to be helpful, sending you to your final destination as easily as possible. If you want to do a touch and go somewhere, you are prbably better off doing two flight plans.

Finally you could try ignoring the ATCO ( or cancel the IFR flight plan) and fly the real arrival procedures available from the above resources, this is much more interesting and challenging than always being vectored for a straight in approach.

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Reply #5 - Oct 3rd, 2004 at 4:52pm

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Thank you, that has been very helpful.  Now I have another of those little frustrations.  When flying IFR I get a very annoying, repetitive signal from the radio.  This is going to look silly but the only way I can describe it is:

Beep Beep, Bee Bee Bee Beep
      Bee Beep
      Bee Beep

Is there anyway to turn this off without turning the sound down?  Thanks again.

 
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Reply #6 - Oct 3rd, 2004 at 11:01pm

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That's your NAV radio source identifying itself, so you know you're receiving the correct signal.

Turning it off depends on the radio gauges that your panel uses.  When it's beeping you can expect to see a NAV1 or NAV2 light on.  Just click on the light and it should go off and turn off the beeping.  Don't worry, your radio is still tuned to the station.
 
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