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Reply #15 - Oct 2nd, 2004 at 5:11am

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For me you can't beat a mark V, although in its blue colour scheme K5054 was a very pretty aeroplane.

Had R J Mitchell survived into the jet age would have much changed? - I'm not sure on this one, I reckon the logical progression of the Spit overseen by Joseph Smith would have continued. On the other hand we may have seen Mitchell's 4 engine bomber take to the skies.... On the jet side, who knows...

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Reply #16 - Oct 21st, 2004 at 4:17pm

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Spitfire earllier Mks are easily supreme

DEFINATELY NO clipped wings (The wings are the most beautiful feature on the spitfire. Clipping them is just cruel) <OR  extended wings> Cry

NO griffon (Merlin sounds better) Cry

NO bubble canopy Cry

NO extended rear fuselage Cry

AND NO 5 bladed prop (3 is the best) Cry

personal favourite colour scheme is the one demonstrated here  Grin

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ESPECIALLY WITH THE BLACK AND WHITE UNDERNEATH!!!  Grin Grin Grin
 

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Reply #17 - Oct 21st, 2004 at 4:24pm

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You just said exactly the opposite of what I was thinking...  Grin
 

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Reply #18 - Oct 22nd, 2004 at 1:46am

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pleased to contradict you .... Grin

I found some pics of black and white spitfire by the way:

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Reply #19 - Oct 22nd, 2004 at 1:59am
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I found some pics of black and white spitfire by the way

Why exactly were they painted like that anyway?
 
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Reply #20 - Oct 22nd, 2004 at 5:35am

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Why exactly were they painted like that anyway?



Identification, mostly to aid AAA. To the best of my knowledge it didn't really help...

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Reply #21 - Oct 22nd, 2004 at 10:35am

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Surely youv'e heard about how the Americans used P-38's in the D-day invasions? They used it because they thought that even the Americans would recognize such a distinctive silhouette and (maybe) not shoot at it...
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Reply #22 - Oct 22nd, 2004 at 1:17pm

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Spitfire earllier Mks are easily supreme

DEFINATELY NO clipped wings (The wings are the most beautiful feature on the spitfire. Clipping them is just cruel) <OR  extended wings> Cry

personal favourite colour scheme is the one demonstrated here  Grin

I like them all but have to agree with you on that. Wink
 

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Reply #23 - Oct 23rd, 2004 at 5:14am
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Spit Mark II with Merlin fastback.
None of this bubble canopy nonsense.


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Reply #24 - Oct 23rd, 2004 at 8:11am

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It's not like I have anything against earlier Marks.  It's like asking which part of Charlize Theron I would rather see naked!  Any part will do, there are just parts I like better.  Especially those with more performance...  Grin

With that in mind...

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Reply #25 - Oct 23rd, 2004 at 8:59am

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It's not like I have anything against earlier Marks. .... there are just parts I like better.  Especially those with more performance...  Grin

You're obviously one of them Colonial fellers. The more power up front the better, never mind the effect on overall performance. Roll Eyes Tongue

This quote is from "Sigh for a Merlin" by Alex Henshaw. Mr Henshaw test flew every mark of Spitfire ever built, except for the seaplane variant. His demonstrations are legendary & still talked about by those lucky enough to see them.
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The Mark V came out in several guises but the one I enjoyed most was the model fitted with the Merlin 50M engine, and the 'A' type wing. This was a de-rated engine, designed to give its maximum power at 5500 feet. It had of course a big advantage at low level and with the enormous increase in boost pressure, was a joy to fly. In fact it was the only Spitfire during a demonstration that I felt able to take-off, lift the wheels up, pause & then pull up firmly but smoothly into a vertical loop with a slow-roll off the top to finish over the centre of the airfield. If I had to make a choice of all the numerous marks of Spitfires - and there were over thirty-six of them -  this is the one I would have picked for a low-level display.


PS. This is the quote I was actually looking for.
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I note from my log-book that I flew the first Mark IX produced at the Castle Bromwich works during March 1943. I think it would be fair to say that this was the period when the poetry of R. J. Mitchell's genius began to fade - but only in looks. This was due, not so much to the design alterations in the Spitfire but rather to the remarkable improvement in the output of the new Merlin.
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The new engine necessitated fitting a new cooling radiator under the wing and also extending the nose by nine inches. I also seem to recollect that longitudinal stability problems were creeping in and that the tail was modified. However, in spite of this, it still looked very much like the original masterpiece. Its performance as a weapon of war was better but, sad to say, I felt the superb classic flying qualities of the old Mark II were slowly being eroded.
 

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Reply #26 - Oct 23rd, 2004 at 1:16pm

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Agreed Doug, its the school of thought I come from. The MkIX/VIII were fantastic and the ultimate evolution of the Merlin Spit, and I wouldn't mind either however Wink
 

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Reply #27 - Oct 23rd, 2004 at 8:31pm

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It's not like I have anything against earlier Marks.  It's like asking which part of Charlize Theron I would rather see naked!  Any part will do, there are just parts I like better.  Especially those with more performance...  Grin

With that in mind...


Take one of those and put it up agains a MkI and you will realise that it is only a Spitfire in name. Nothing of the original design remains in that.

Personally I'm with Mr Henshaw. A MkV with the A wing (none of those ugly cannon ruining the sillouette) would suit me fine.
 

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Reply #28 - Oct 23rd, 2004 at 9:18pm

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Again I am forced to notice the difference in opinion lies along the line of country of origin.  Americans tend (not always) to like later models while Brits (again, not always) prefer the earlier.  I wonder how much of that is because the Spitfire is your own and the role is played in what really was Britain's finest hour.  I would say if that is the case, you have every right to be proud of the earlier Marks...   8)
 

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Reply #29 - Oct 23rd, 2004 at 9:20pm

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BTW, I am curious; Has anyone ever heard of a Griffon being fitted to a Mustang?  Smiley
 

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