Search the archive:
YaBB - Yet another Bulletin Board
 
   
 
Pages: 1 2 3 
Send Topic Print
De-Ice questions (Read 884 times)
Aug 19th, 2004 at 9:59am

iggy0075   Offline
Colonel
I love YaBB 1G - SP1!

Posts: 20
*****
 
Will having the de-ice on or off in the the game really do anything, I now in real flying it prevents ice from forming in and around very important parts of the plane, I am guessing around the engines and flaps and such, am I correct on that also???  Anyway in the game will it make a difference if you have it on or off???  Also what does the pilot heat do?????
 
IP Logged
 
Reply #1 - Aug 19th, 2004 at 10:29am

Skittles   Offline
Colonel
N769JC: "Isn't simulating
stimulating?
JAQ: Westover Field, CA (O70)

Gender: male
Posts: 837
*****
 
I have noticed after a while of not using it, my airspeed gauge stops working. Coincidence? Possibly.
 

What do computers and air conditioners have in common?...
They both will work perfectly, until you open windows.
IP Logged
 
Reply #2 - Aug 19th, 2004 at 10:51am

codered   Offline
Colonel
Flight Plan Closed?

Posts: 1622
*****
 
You will not see the ice forming on the wings or structure (unless you have Bill Lyons Apache.  His is the only aircraft I have seen that models icing).  However you will see the airspeed drop off to zero due to pitot ice.  That is what your Pitot/Static Heat are for.  I have noticed to that When flying in icing conditions that the aircraft performance will get progressively worse if you do not turn on the wing de-ice or if it is not available decend to warmer air. 

Create some conditions with severe icing in the clouds and you will see what I mean.  Don't turn on any de-icing equipment and see your airspeed become inoperative, and the plane progessively get worse in flying characteristices.  The latter takes longer to develop. Grin
 

Windows XP SP1&&Motherboard: Epox 8RDA + main board&&Processor: AMD XP2500 Barton CPU&&Memory: PC2700 1gb Geil DDR&&Hard Drive: SEA HDD IDE 40GB 7M 40GPP&&Hard Drive: Western Digital 40gb 8mb cache&&Monitor 15 LCD Flat Panel Display (15 viewable)&&Video Card: ATI Radeon 9500 Pro&&Sound Card: Creative Labs Audigy 2
IP Logged
 
Reply #3 - Aug 19th, 2004 at 12:01pm

garymbuska   Offline
Colonel
I would rather be flying
Jacksonville, Florida

Gender: male
Posts: 2850
*****
 
Iggy You are close there can be several deice switches;
one for the leading ede of each wing and elevater one for the pitot tube(s) & one for each engine. Not every planes has them all some have none. Which means you need to stay out of icy situations. The main concern is for the wings if they ice up it not only add weight but can prevent control surface movement. The other critical place is the pitot tube(s) if they ice up you loose your air speed indicator.
 
IP Logged
 
Reply #4 - Aug 19th, 2004 at 12:54pm

Billerator   Offline
Colonel
EGLF is my home town
Farnborough, UK

Gender: male
Posts: 428
*****
 

Im sure that I read in quite a few places that the structual de-icing switches dont do anything in FS.

 
IP Logged
 
Reply #5 - Aug 19th, 2004 at 4:00pm
BiggBaddWolf   Ex Member

 
To answer your pitot heat question...It is a tube filled that makes the airspeed indicator read correctly it is filled with liquid, which can freeze at sub freezing temps, which in turn will result in errant readings from the airspeed indicator Shocked
 
IP Logged
 
Reply #6 - Aug 19th, 2004 at 4:03pm

Anti-Societys Snake   Offline
Colonel
My Warlock could kick
your ass WITHOUT my help.
ohio

Gender: male
Posts: 553
*****
 
what does the pilot heat do?
 
IP Logged
 
Reply #7 - Aug 19th, 2004 at 4:07pm

codered   Offline
Colonel
Flight Plan Closed?

Posts: 1622
*****
 
Quote:
To answer your pitot heat question...It is a tube filled that makes the airspeed indicator read correctly it is filled with liquid, which can freeze at sub freezing temps, which in turn will result in errant readings from the airspeed indicator Shocked


What?  The pitot tube is a tube that is attached to the aircraft to mesure how fast the aircraft is going through the air.  The speed at which the air is going in the tube is what is measured.  It is not filled with water.  The reason the tube freezes is due to ice build up from the out side moisture and temperature... Wink  Pitot heat warms up the tube to keep it from freezing.
 

Windows XP SP1&&Motherboard: Epox 8RDA + main board&&Processor: AMD XP2500 Barton CPU&&Memory: PC2700 1gb Geil DDR&&Hard Drive: SEA HDD IDE 40GB 7M 40GPP&&Hard Drive: Western Digital 40gb 8mb cache&&Monitor 15 LCD Flat Panel Display (15 viewable)&&Video Card: ATI Radeon 9500 Pro&&Sound Card: Creative Labs Audigy 2
IP Logged
 
Reply #8 - Aug 19th, 2004 at 5:11pm

esa17   Offline
Colonel
87G right base, 35

Gender: male
Posts: 36
*****
 
Codered is correct, there is no liquid in the pitot tube.
 
IP Logged
 
Reply #9 - Aug 19th, 2004 at 5:16pm

Billerator   Offline
Colonel
EGLF is my home town
Farnborough, UK

Gender: male
Posts: 428
*****
 

It is in fact just a tube, as the name suggests.
 
IP Logged
 
Reply #10 - Aug 19th, 2004 at 5:30pm

Politically Incorrect   Offline
Colonel
Personal opinion given
free of charge!
Williamsport, PA

Gender: male
Posts: 3915
*****
 
Quote:
if it is not available decend to warmer air. 


Also in many cases climbing too a higher altitude. Doesn't seem to make sense but a lot of times air can be warmer higher up.
This was a question I posed to a flight instructor, "What should you do if you notice icing and your pitot heat isn't working? " He said "Go too a lower altitude",  fair enough but "What happens if you suddenly find  a bank of clouds as far as you can see, below you, you have minimal instrument training (or they aren't working), more or less flying blind?"
He said he wasn't sure. So I got to doing some research (most instructors don't like me because of some of the senerios I come up with Smiley )
From my research I found that by climbing higher, in more cases than none the air will be warmer than at the "icing" altitude!
So I posed this info to a FAA Examiner and he verified that yes it would be true.
 
IP Logged
 
Reply #11 - Aug 19th, 2004 at 5:48pm

codered   Offline
Colonel
Flight Plan Closed?

Posts: 1622
*****
 
[quote author=fretnstuff link=board=COF;num=1092923992;start=0#10 date=08/19/04 at 17:30:48]

Also in many cases climbing too a higher altitude. quote]

Yes this is very true.  I asked the same question to my flight instructor years back and she said that you can climb to a higher altitude if decending is not an option.  However  she also added,"...Do your best not to get into that situation... Grin"  
 

Windows XP SP1&&Motherboard: Epox 8RDA + main board&&Processor: AMD XP2500 Barton CPU&&Memory: PC2700 1gb Geil DDR&&Hard Drive: SEA HDD IDE 40GB 7M 40GPP&&Hard Drive: Western Digital 40gb 8mb cache&&Monitor 15 LCD Flat Panel Display (15 viewable)&&Video Card: ATI Radeon 9500 Pro&&Sound Card: Creative Labs Audigy 2
IP Logged
 
Reply #12 - Aug 19th, 2004 at 8:44pm

MattNW   Offline
Colonel
Indiana

Gender: male
Posts: 1762
*****
 
The reason climbing works is because icing often happens when cold air mass and a warm air mass collide. The warm humid air carries a lot of moisture and somewhere where the two meet conditions can be cold enough to freeze this moisture. That's where you encounter icing. Since warm air is lighter than cold you can sometimes climb high enough to get into the warmer air and thus avoid the icing conditions. Of course that is only true sometimes. It depends on many factors. If climbing doesn't work you can try descending. If that doesn't work then a 180 degree course change is advisable. Just make sure you don't get too far into the bad weather to get back out again.
 

In Memory of John Consterdine (FS Tipster)1962-2003
IP Logged
 
Reply #13 - Aug 20th, 2004 at 12:50am

esa17   Offline
Colonel
87G right base, 35

Gender: male
Posts: 36
*****
 
Quote:
Also in many cases climbing too a higher altitude. Doesn't seem to make sense but a lot of times air can be warmer higher up.


It makes perfect sense if you're flying into an inversion where icing can easily result.
 
IP Logged
 
Reply #14 - Aug 20th, 2004 at 7:29am
BiggBaddWolf   Ex Member

 
In its simplest form, it consists of a tube with an opening at  the  end.   The  small  hole  in  the  end  is  positioned  such  that  it  faces  the  flowing FLUID.   The velocity  of  the FLUID at  the  opening  of  the  tube  decreases  to  zero.   This  provides  for  the  high pressure input to a differential pressure detector.  A pressure tap provides the low pressure input.
 
IP Logged
 
Pages: 1 2 3 
Send Topic Print