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Aug 18th, 2004 at 1:23pm

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A lot of care goes into some of the benchmarking tests, so that everything is as even as possible in order to get an indication of a component's actual performance, (I mean the tests like the ones Tom's Hardware Guide and others do, ...... not Joe Blow's test up the road off the street of course.)

The people who do these tests are, for the most part, independent enthusiasts trying to produce a useful guide for the rest of us.

I would love to do testing specifically for FS9, unfortunately, I haven't got the resources OR the technical proficiency.

I can only base my comments on my experience, what I've read and common sense, (with the occasional shot in the dark!)

I have been fortunate in being able to personally try out many types of hardware over the last few years, on quite a few different systems. These systems have been getting progressively more powerful of course.

Testing the hardware for myself on various software has produced no surprises....... every time I use more powerful hardware, the performance of the applications improves dramatically compared to "tweaking" the previous hardware.

No amount of fiddling will get you the performance that you can actually go out and PAY for!

There is a sentiment here in these forums that benchmarking doesn't produce valid comparisons. That sentiment is probably reflected by those individuals who haven't understood or erred in the process itself, thereby not giving them any meaningful analysis.

As individuals, we all percieve things differently, we have a plethora of hardware which we can try to compare, usually ineffectively due to the differences.

Good Benchmarking can be done by anyone who understands the process... ie. setting up an even platform by which to make a useful comparitive analysis of a given component/components.

Good Benchmarking takes the emotion and human error out of the equation, leaving science to do it's job, and that job is to produce numbers in a controlled environment.

For instance, I could see FS9 performing perceptibly well at a friends house and then wonder what is wrong with my setup. But, alas, an even comparison/test may well show that it is his system that is actually lagging behind by some margin... all things being equal or as equal as can be reasonably obtained.

Benchmarking is the basis of accurate knowledge as far as hardware performance is concerned, we all benefit from it. So, let's stop the witchhunt and get on with some useful comment.
 

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Reply #1 - Aug 18th, 2004 at 2:56pm

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Dude seeing as I got a bargain on my g/card gettin it half price I had some cash free  Grin  Managed to scrape a bit more outta the wages this month and purchased me a new mobo and CPU  8)

Got an AMD64 3500 (2.2GHz) 1mb L2cache socket 939

and an MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum (Socket 939) with nForce 3 chipset. 

Should arrive tomorrow or Friday. 

Cant wait to Bench this one out  Grin
 

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Reply #2 - Aug 18th, 2004 at 3:10pm

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Holy Batcave!   Shocked

Somebody shoot me.........  Undecided

That CPU is $800 here last month, now down to $540 oz trinkets.

May I ask why you went for a socket 939 instead of a socket 754?

Registered RAM for socket 939? Better check.

EDIT: From MSI's site:

"Supports a maximum memory size up to 4GB with ECC"

ECC being registered RAM......
hope you still got some spare change.
 

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Reply #3 - Aug 18th, 2004 at 4:53pm

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Went for the 939 coz the 754 cpus only have 512 L2 cache now.  Plus bit more future proof.  This mobo also fits the FX53 CPU's so as they drop in price by the time I need an upgrade I can put one of those in it  Grin

Just gonna whack my two sticks of dual band stuff in there.  Its Corsair XMS stuff so fingers crossed it will work.

Says this on one line:

Supports dual channel DDR 266/333/400, using four 184-pin DDR DIMMs

then on the line below what you quoted.  So I hope that means it will only run 4gig if you use ECC stuff.

Just read the Anandetech review.  They just used OCZ and Mushkin stuff. I reckon I am safe with the Corsair stuff.  I only have PC3200 ram though so wont be able to run the timings I currently am or O-clock it much but I dont think I will have to much, its gonna pee all over my current system.

I am hoping this as my mates system I built is this:

AMD64 3200, with an MSI K8T Neo with Via chipset
1gig Corsair (Dual band) exactly same as my stuff
XFX 6800 Ultra   exactly same as mine.

My system scored just over 18000 on 3dmark01

his system scored 21757  Shocked  hehehehehe  

His system does appear to run quicker too, though he is a clean setup compared to mine which hasn;t been re-formatted for nearly a year now.

Goin by these though mine should score more  Grin

http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2128&p=15

http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2128&p=19

Well they liked the nForce3 so it will do me.

Gotta sell my current mobo/cpu/ram/Hest sink  now.
 

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Reply #4 - Aug 18th, 2004 at 9:19pm

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From MSI's list of supported ram, it looks like non-ecc works, contrary to what i read about another socket 939 chipset.
 

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Reply #5 - Aug 19th, 2004 at 2:14am

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My last three Mobos have been MSI ones.  They might not end up being the absolute fastest or have the ultimate functionality for over-clocking but I read so many things about other manufacturers mobos not working etc and 'Touch Wood' all my MSI mobos have worked straight away.   I think I had to flash the BIOS once on all of them due to certain upgrades etc.

Fingers Crossed this one will be as good as the rest!  If I had cheap nasty ram I would expect problems but its Corsair XMS stuff so should be alright.

On the over-clockers forum (Place where i have brought it from) there are quite a few people having probs with Gigabyte 939 boards I believe.  One changed to the MSI and has far better results so this is promising  Grin  Am hoping with the nForce chipset and Nvidia G/card I got to get good results.
 

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Reply #6 - Aug 20th, 2004 at 6:24pm

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Wohoo

Got the new system up and running. Impressed so far.

Bench scores:

Old system   3dMark01    18050
                   3dMark03     12095

New system 3dMark01    23048
                   3dMark03    12752

Not overclocked the g/card yet  Wink  might up the core from 425 to 435 and see what happens  Grin  would be nice to break the 13000 on 03.
 

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Reply #7 - Aug 21st, 2004 at 1:36pm

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Latest results  Grin   Got the guts to do it and clocked the g/card  8)

3dMark 01 score is now

...
3dMark 03 score is now

...

All running stable temps seem fine  Grin  Im happy now I pipped the 13k on 03 so Im gonna stop and leave it at this.
 

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Reply #8 - Aug 22nd, 2004 at 2:31pm

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Wow! That's more than twice as fast in '03 as my FX5900XT!

 

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