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Cockpit Construction Continued (Part 6) (Read 3050 times)
Aug 5th, 2004 at 9:05pm

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Glareshield Revision and Controls Installed

I'm back now from Japan and catching up on my life.  I have been really missing working on the simpit... so I took a little time today and did a little more work.

I have been thinking about the setup of the glareshield support structure that I had already designed........and decided to change how I was going to support the individual control panel elements.

Instead of a facing panel that I cut holes in and then screwed the panel onto...... I decided to add "rails" inside the glareshield structure to hold the components.  This would provide a better and more rigid support for them.

So I ripped out one piece of screwed and glued wood that was already put  in there along the top interior edge of the structure to hold the 1/4" MDF facing....... and then added a number of vertical pieces of 1/2" MDF at the correct spacings for the components that I planed to place there.   Again all wood was screwed and glued into place.

(To see the old layout of the glareshield support.... see the other threads documenting this project.)


#1 : Test fitting the new glareshield control panel support structure

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The control panel unit to the extreme left in the picture above is a temporary "place holder" that is the scale of the final unit to be housed there ... which will control the autopilot master, the flight director, and so on.


#2:  The glareshield assembly support changes in place and painted

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Here a coat of paint is added to the new woodwork because some if it will show between the control units placed onto it.


#3:  Most of the component panels test mounted

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As you can see from the images, two of the main components of the glareshield are the Goflight MCP autopilot and also a Goflight G45 module that will be configured as the transponder.  To the left of these units is the controls for the MFD's located on the main panel that will be interfaced on the networked computers with either a Hagstrom card... or one of the new Photon units that I mention in a thread elsewhere in this Forum.  To the left of that will be the main controls for the autopilot.  To the right of the transponder will be the autobrake module.


#4:  The glareshield assembly mounted back in place in the simpit

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Here the glareshield is again sitting in place on the main panel structure.  It is starting to look better and better all the time  Cheesy.



SO..... the work continues.  More as it happens.

best,

...................john
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Reply #1 - Aug 5th, 2004 at 9:12pm

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Beautifull job John,I can't wait to see it finish
 

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Reply #2 - Aug 9th, 2004 at 8:05pm

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i cant w8 to see the finished product... i cant figure out how to get mine to interface with my computer?
 

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Reply #3 - Aug 9th, 2004 at 10:19pm

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i cant figure out how to get mine to interface with my computer?


Shadowe,

Hi... thanks for the comment.

As to how to interface control stuff to your computer...... I'd suggest that take some time and go thru all the various threads here in the "Homebuild Cockpits" forum........ and I'm sure that you'll find lots of ways to accomplish that.  There are lots of links already listed that even go to various tutorials.

That being said........ here's the fast summary  Wink:

In the example of the glareshield stuff that you see in this part of the threads on my simpit construction.......

The two Goflight units are commercial units that are designed to interface and work with fs2000, fs2002, and fs2004.  They have software drivers that get installed on the machine running the simulator you are running.  The hardware plugs into that machine with the sim via a usb bus connector.  Simple.  Then when you run fs200X.... they power up and take the place of the simulated controls in your simulated on-screen cockpits.  You now turn the controls on the physical MCP and the sim "reads" that...and the numeric displays on the physical MCP are updated too.  Feels VERY real.

To the immediate left of the Goflight MCP in the picture above is the electronic flight information system (EFIS) main control panel.  It is simply a switch bearing unit that I constructed from looking at the real deal....and from looking at the functions that I want to reproduce.... and from looking at the functions present in the glass cockpit software that I plan to use for the simpit (FreeFD).  Because I am building a "generic" simpit (not a copy of real aircraft) I can make panels the way I want them to be.  So I can steal good ideas from multiple places and combine them Wink.

This EFIS panel ....while looking pretty "real"....... is nothing more than a holder for a bunch of switches that will replace the keyboard keys.  The switches are from an electronic surplus supply store and cost about $1 each.  But there still are a lot of switches there .... 14 toggle and push button and two 6 position rotaries. Wink  That panel as it sits only cost about $20 to make...... but the wiring will still add a bunch more.

These various switches will be used to control the function of the FreeFD glass cockpit software that will display the primary flight instruments on two monitors located behind a fake panel facing that has frames and stuff applied to make it look like the real instruments (see other threads).  This software will run on an additional machine that is networked to the sim machine and utilize FSUIPC and WideFS to allow the controls to work.

The interfacing for these EFIS switches (and any other panels) can be done a number of ways.

The cheapest but biggest pain in the butt is to do a "keyboard hack" of an old keyboard.  You take one apart and rewire MOMENTARY ON switches in place of the keys.  This has the restriction that the buttons you use HAVE to be momentary types.  A design problem... but still better than using a keyboard.  Wink

To utilize rotary switches and toggles and such...... you need some sort of interface device.  The easiest and somewhat inexpensive one to use to do this is the Hagstrom card (see other threads).  For about $150 you can get 72 distinct inputs interfaced into the computer.

The Hagstrom setup software lets you use macro's of keypresses....... and it lets the switch execute one macro on being set "ON" and another on being set "OFF" if you want.  This will be what I likely use on the EFIS unit.  Because there are double throw and center off switches and the 6  position rotaries..... that panel alone will take 32 distinct inputs!

Another approach for an interface is to canibalize usb joysticks and controllers (see thread on canibalizing an Axispad).  You can take the various switches and potentiometers and remote them with wire and use the usb configuration software to map them to do what you want.  While mechanically a pain.... a simple solution that I will use for some stuff in the pit.

The hardest part of this simpit stuff is getting controls OUT of the sim and into the "real world".  Let's say that you want three lights on your main panel to light up as the gear indicators or the outer, middle, and inner markers.  You need some sophisticated interface stuff to accomplish this.  The commonly used solution to such stuff as lighting lights on the panels and for controling "fake" analog instruments and stuff is something called the EPIC card (see other threads).  If you don't plan to spend about $1000 minimum on this part of things.... forget this  Wink.

There are a couple of other solutions to this issue..... but they are pretty "technical" and not suited for the "fast"  8) summary here.

So..... there is a start on this fascinating part of the hobby.  Be careful..... once you start... you get hooked  Wink  Cheesy Grin.  Hope this helps.

best,

....................john
 

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Reply #4 - Aug 9th, 2004 at 10:20pm

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ALROT,

Thanks...... I can't wait either  Wink.

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Reply #5 - Aug 9th, 2004 at 11:15pm

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thanks that explains alot ill have to get workin on mine some more tommorrow
 

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