Search the archive:
 YaBB - Yet another Bulletin Board
 
   
 
  Simviation Forum › Computer Hardware & Software Forum › Hardware › Pentium versus AMD
(Moderators: Mitch., Fly2e, ozzy72, beaky, Clipper, JBaymore, Bob70, BigTruck)
‹ Previous Topic | Next Topic ›
Page Index Toggle Pages: 1
Send Topic Print
Pentium versus AMD (Read 521 times)
Jul 29th, 2004 at 3:52pm

lukis   Offline
2nd Lieutenant
I love YaBB 1G - SP1!

Posts: 1
 **
 
Hi all,
With the new FS9, I am about to upgrade my DIY PC.
Can anyone, please, unravel the misteries of say, as an example:-

1.  Intel 2.4GHz Celeron

2.  AMD Athlon XP 2500+

a) Assuming that the speed of a PC is measured by its CPU speed in GHZ, if the first of above is 2.4GHZ, then what is the speed of the second, 2.5+ GHZ? or what?.

b) Assuming the same Mobo, Ram, HD e.t.c in a box, If you take an Intel and an AMD of same amount of GHZ, would you expect the same performance out of each ?, or for some reason one make could be faster that the other?

c) Is there a preference between the two CPUs, specifically for use in F.Sim?

Thank you
 
Back to top 
IP Logged
 
Reply #1 - Jul 29th, 2004 at 4:32pm

Fox_Molder   Offline
Colonel
ok autopilot on zzzzz
Longueuil QC

Gender: male
 Posts: 143
 *****
 
Quote:
Hi all,
With the new FS9, I am about to upgrade my DIY PC.
Can anyone, please, unravel the misteries of say, as an example:-

1.  Intel 2.4GHz Celeron

2.  AMD Athlon XP 2500+

a) Assuming that the speed of a PC is measured by its CPU speed in GHZ, if the first of above is 2.4GHZ, then what is the speed of the second, 2.5+ GHZ? or what?.

b) Assuming the same Mobo, Ram, HD e.t.c in a box, If you take an Intel and an AMD of same amount of GHZ, would you expect the same performance out of each ?, or for some reason one make could be faster that the other?

c) Is there a preference between the two CPUs, specifically for use in F.Sim?

Thank you


simply put do not compare celeron with AMD XP 2500+, AMD will process way faster than the celeron, specialy for those intense mathematic (simulation are a big math problem to resolve constantly)

you could compare intel instep cpu with AMD and it would be a fare game. but celeron agains AMD XP no comparison can be made. AMD XP 2500+ run as fast as a intel instep 2.5 ghz but at a lesser clock speed.

let say i got intel 2.5ghz and a AMD 2.3ghz they should in theory process the same amount of data in 1 second.

AMD explain that clock speed is not all, if on one cycle intel process (example) 1 bit and AMD process 3 bit. witch one will finish first to process 300bit... here is your answers. this is why AMD are no longer selling clock speed but processing power.

AMD is sheap $$$ but way faster then celeron, and equivalent to a intel instep of 2.5 ghz but intel instep cost more.

cheap I would go with AMD with a strong power(400w) supply and a big fan. this should be fine during summer. make sure the hot air have a place to excape. dont put your computer in a closed cabinet for instance. and keep the rear clear of the wall. you should be fine

please correct me if i am wrong.
 
Back to top 
IP Logged
 
Reply #2 - Jul 29th, 2004 at 11:13pm

HeavyMetal   Offline
Colonel
Frankfurt - Main (Rhein-Main
AFB) (FRA / FRF / EDD
Fergus, Ontario, Canada

Gender: male
 Posts: 182
 *****
 
AMD smokes the Celeron, or any Pentium CPU.  Just my 2 cents worth.

Speedbird_1961
 
A life?........Cool...........Where can I download one of those?&&&&The Beast:&&&&ABIT NF7-S Motherboard V2.0 400Mhz FSB&&NVIDEA nForce2 Ultra400 chipset w/MCP-T&&Athlon/XP 3200+ CPU 400mhzFSB&&WindowsXPHome SP2&&Antec TruePower 480W PSU&&Thermaltake Extreme Volcano12 Heatsink&&2X512 Dual Channel DDR400 Corsair Ram&&Maxtor Ultra ATA/133 7200rpm 120gig HDD &&ASUS V9280 Ti4200 GeForce4 128mg DDR RAM&&Sony 20
Back to top 
IP Logged
 
Reply #3 - Jul 30th, 2004 at 3:33am

DiveBomber89   Offline
Colonel
Can't fly Cessnas
United States

Gender: male
 Posts: 64
 *****
 
How about an AMD Athlon 3000+ against a Pentium 4 2.8Ghz?
 
Back to top 
IP Logged
 
Reply #4 - Jul 30th, 2004 at 3:35pm

nochus   Offline
Colonel
I love YaBB 1G - SP1!

Posts: 38
 *****
 
DiveBomber89

How about IT? What is your opinion? How about price?
AMD Athlon 3000+  V  Pentium 4 2.8Ghz?

Can anyone answer the Qs in my inquiry?

Thanks      
 
Back to top 
IP Logged
 
Reply #5 - Jul 30th, 2004 at 4:16pm

Delta_   Offline
Colonel
Woah!
London, UK

Gender: male
 Posts: 2032
 *****
 
The AMD chip will out perform that Intel one.
The 3000 costs £89.95 full retail.
The 2.8 costs £112.00 full retail.
 
My system:Intel Q6600@3.6GHz, Corsair XMS2 4GB DDR2-6400 (4-4-4-12-1T) , Sapphire 7850 OC 2BG 920/5000, X-Fi Fatality, Corsair AX 750, 7 Pro x64
Back to top 
IP Logged
 
Reply #6 - Aug 2nd, 2004 at 9:13pm

chomp_rock   Offline
Colonel
I must confess, I was
born at a very early
age.

Gender: male
 Posts: 2718
 *****
 
Just my $0.02 but If you are getting an AMD get an Athlon XP 3200+ if you are going to get a P4 get a P4 2.8 with 1mb cache and an 800MHz FSB. With a fast processor like that you'll have great FS preformance. BTW, I've never used the 3200+ is it faster than the said 2.8?
 
AMD Athlon 64 3700+&&GeForce FX5200 256Mb&&1GB DDR400 DC&&Seagate 500Gb SATA-300 HDD&&Windows XP Professional X64 Edition
&&&&That's right, I'm now using an AMD! I decided to give them another try and they kicked the pants off of my P4 3.4!
Back to top 
IP Logged
 
Reply #7 - Aug 3rd, 2004 at 12:23pm

Gixer   Offline
Colonel
Lets go fly a kite!!

Posts: 1540
 *****
 
I would go the AMD64 route myself. Its a little more future proof.
 
AMD64 3500+ @ 2200MHz 400FSB&&MSI K8N Neo 2 mobo nForce3 chipset&&1gig Corsair XMS PC3200 timings @ 10.2.2.2 &&XFX 6800 Ultra @ 450/1200&&80gig HDD&&Loadsa fans!!!
Back to top 
IP Logged
 
Reply #8 - Aug 3rd, 2004 at 1:13pm

Iroquois   Offline
Colonel
Happy Halloween
Ontario Canada

Gender: male
 Posts: 3244
 *****
 
A little tip. AMD's strange names come from the Athlon XP's war with the P4. I have an AthlonXP 2000+. AMD's are much more efficient at processing data than P4's so will do more work at a lower speed. That's where the numbers come in. My XP2000 runs at 1.67ghz but will actually equal the preformance of a P4 2.0ghz. An XP 3000 equals a P4 3.0. I'm not sure if the same applies for the Athlon64's because they are in a totally different league than the Athlon XP and P4.

I agree with Gixer on going the Athlon64 route if you can afford it. Computer Power User magazine just published their PC Modder edition and it has a round up of the best P4 and Athlon 64 mobos to go with the latest CPUs.
 
I only pretend to know what I'm talking about. Heck, that's what lawyers, car mechanics, and IT professionals do everyday. Wink&&The Rig: &&AMD Athlon XP2000+ Palomino, ECS K7S5A 3.1, 1GB PC2700 DDR, Geforce FX5200 128mb, SB Live Platinum, 16xDVD, 16x10x40x CDRW, 40/60gb 7200rpm HDD, 325w Power, Windows XP Home SP1, Directx 9.0c with 66.81 Beta gfx drivers
Back to top 
IP Logged
 
Reply #9 - Aug 5th, 2004 at 1:49am

richardd43   Offline
Colonel
Edmonton AB

Gender: male
 Posts: 764
 *****
 
If you buy the 2500+ Barton make sure you get a motherboard that will run at 200 FSB. That will pump your 2500+ up to a 3200+ without the cost of a 3200.
 
Asus P8Z77-V Deluxe
Intel I7 3770K w/ Corsair H100
Thermaltake Level 10 GT
Silverstone 1000W PSU 
Corsair 120G Force 3
2 x  Seagate Sata 3 
16 G Corsair Meemory
2 x EVGA GTX 295   
Windows 7 Ultimate
Back to top 
IP Logged
 
Reply #10 - Aug 5th, 2004 at 2:09am

Gixer   Offline
Colonel
Lets go fly a kite!!

Posts: 1540
 *****
 
Remeber it must be a mobile 2500 though otherwise the multiplyers will be locked.  To do what is said requires overclocking too so you gonna have to know a bit about what your doing  Wink
 
AMD64 3500+ @ 2200MHz 400FSB&&MSI K8N Neo 2 mobo nForce3 chipset&&1gig Corsair XMS PC3200 timings @ 10.2.2.2 &&XFX 6800 Ultra @ 450/1200&&80gig HDD&&Loadsa fans!!!
Back to top 
IP Logged
 
Reply #11 - Aug 6th, 2004 at 10:50pm

Jared   Offline
Colonel
I'd rather be flying...
Uniontown, Ohio

Gender: male
 Posts: 12621
 *****
 
My parents have always bought gateways with pentiums processors in them, and I've always had a comparable system with AMD processors in them...

In just about every case my AMD's always outperformed the pentiums performance wise for me...

there, my two cents worth...Wink
 
Back to top 
IP Logged
 
Reply #12 - Aug 7th, 2004 at 5:07am

bm   Offline
Colonel
UK

Gender: male
 Posts: 1177
 *****
 
I've had my P4c 3.2Ghz HT, Asus P4C800-Deluxe, ATi 9800XT, 1024Mb Corsair Ram system for over six months. It handles everything I chuck at it excellently and during that time I've had not one crash, not one!

If I compare that to my old system, AMD Athlon XP 2000+, Jetway (VIA) mobo (urghhh!), FX5600, 512Mb no-name ram. It seems to crash about once a month, and the FX5600 used to just freeze the whole time.

In fact i've just finished completely taking it apart and starting again after it got foobar'd again - Its now working nicely dual-booted with 98/Fedora Core 1. Interestingly enough I was asked to set Linux to the default on the bootloader! With linux handling the email, internet & games (puzzle and card games Undecided) now, windows does'nt have a huge amount to do! + seeing as linux handles the ICS through this PC automatically there is no chance I'm gonna bother with windows!

Oh well - I'm actually looking forward to its next crash! I'm going to put Fedora core 2 on - no windows!

PS. AMD 64 is the best choise at the mo in my view, just saying you can't go a huge amount wrong with a P4c for most stuff!
 
Back to top 
IP Logged
 
Reply #13 - Aug 7th, 2004 at 2:34pm

Iroquois   Offline
Colonel
Happy Halloween
Ontario Canada

Gender: male
 Posts: 3244
 *****
 
Bird Man, I think it's your mobo. My system is pretty close to that. I'm using an Elitegroup (ECS) K7S5A 3.1 mobo and my computer has never crashed. No two mobo's are alike, even if they use the same chipset. It could even be a bad install of Windows that's causing the problem.

The thing to remember is not to go to unknown mobo manufacturers, especially if it's a low cost board. The K7S5A I have isn't an expensive board but it is produced by a major manufacturer.
 
I only pretend to know what I'm talking about. Heck, that's what lawyers, car mechanics, and IT professionals do everyday. Wink&&The Rig: &&AMD Athlon XP2000+ Palomino, ECS K7S5A 3.1, 1GB PC2700 DDR, Geforce FX5200 128mb, SB Live Platinum, 16xDVD, 16x10x40x CDRW, 40/60gb 7200rpm HDD, 325w Power, Windows XP Home SP1, Directx 9.0c with 66.81 Beta gfx drivers
Back to top 
IP Logged
 
Reply #14 - Aug 9th, 2004 at 3:49am

bm   Offline
Colonel
UK

Gender: male
 Posts: 1177
 *****
 
I'm certain its the mobo and the RAM Grin

The point I forgot to make in my post was exactly that - forget cheap unkown manufacturers. (eg. Asrock & Jetway)

I don't think its worth replacing it now though - £100 or so for an Asus A7N8X-X and 512Mb value RAM,  surely in the next few months this is going to drop in price hugely.

I'm an ASUS man now Roll Eyes
 
Back to top 
IP Logged
 
Page Index Toggle Pages: 1
Send Topic Print
‹ Previous Topic | Next Topic ›
  « Home ‹ Board Top of this page

Simviation Forum » Powered by YaBB 2.5 AE!
YaBB Forum Software © 2000-2010. All Rights Reserved.

Valid RSS Valid XHTML Valid CSS Powered by Perl Source Forge