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Jul 20th, 2004 at 10:11am

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Reply #1 - Jul 20th, 2004 at 10:36am

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I remember staying up to see it the grainy images.


Of course, it never really happened, it was all taped in a remote studio in one of Area 51's hangars  Smiley
 

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Reply #2 - Jul 20th, 2004 at 12:18pm

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YEAH!!!!!!!!  Go NASA!!!

  I'm like Felix, I remember staying up and watching those fuzzy images too.
 
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Reply #3 - Jul 20th, 2004 at 1:51pm

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This was a couple of years before I was born, but they were still landing men on the moon when I was tiny. Think its time to pop back and get the evidence to prove the conspiracy mob wrong Grin
 

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Reply #4 - Jul 20th, 2004 at 4:42pm

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This makes me feel old. If memory serves me right the launch happened while I was at work so we listened to live reports on the radio. Later on I saw those grainy images transmitted live via satellite. I might be wrong but I think this was the first time this had been done on mainstream TV. My opinions on this subject are well-known here so I won't bore you by repeating them. In my view this vast improvement in communications was a more important product of the space programme than the moon shots themselves.

PS. http://www.tvhistory.btinternet.co.uk/html/moon_tv_cov.html
 

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Reply #5 - Jul 20th, 2004 at 5:14pm

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Apollo 8 was on live television orbiting the moon on Christmas Eve, 1968.  Surely your memory can't be so bad you dont remember them reading Genesis (the Bible not the band).
 
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Reply #7 - Jul 21st, 2004 at 9:46am

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No Apollo 8 on BBC?  No wonder people complain about it so much.

Since we're reminiscing, my parents let me sit up late to watch the first EVA.
 
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Reply #8 - Jul 21st, 2004 at 10:36am

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I didn't say it wasn't shown - just that it might not have been live as you saw it in the US. Recorded reports would certainly have been featured on the news & special programmes. I wouldn't have seen any of this as 1968 was the year I got married & we couldn't afford a TV set. We didn't need one as we made our own entertainment. Wink

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Reply #9 - Jul 21st, 2004 at 2:55pm

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Since we're reminiscing, my parents let me sit up late to watch the first EVA.

Which first EVA?  The one the Soviet Alexei Leonov did (which the tape was actually a fake) or the one that American Ed White did?

Probably White's walk I'm assuming, just out of curosity-was it done on live TV?
 
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Reply #10 - Jul 21st, 2004 at 2:58pm
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Err? Really?
 
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Reply #11 - Jul 21st, 2004 at 4:46pm

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The video of Leonov doing the spacewalk was a fake-he did actually perform the walk, but they didn't film it.  The famous video where he floats out of the hatch and waves his arm-then floats around was done after the fact back on earth (I think in a neutral-bouancy tank).
 
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Reply #12 - Jul 21st, 2004 at 5:01pm
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Well..at least he made the first EVA,didn't he?
 
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Well..at least he made the first EVA,didn't he?

Yes.  On March 18, 1965, Alexei Leonov made history's first space walk during the Voskhod 2 mission.

There was a video made of Leonov making the spacewalk and it was released to the world's press.  It was later discovered that the video was not real (I'm not sure how that figured it out, but I want to say that someone analzied and managed to prove that it couldn't have been taken from space-I can't remember why though).  Here are some still images of that video.

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Reply #14 - Jul 21st, 2004 at 6:28pm

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This is fascinating stuff Richie. I respect your great knowledge on the subject have no reason to doubt what you say. I've searched the web but can't find any reference to this fake video. Can you give me a reference?

It seems to me that there are more myths & legends surrounding these first few years of space travel than almost anything else I can think of. I can understand the USSR wanting to hide some of their technology from the West but I can't understand the lack of evidence on most of these achievements. A lot of it seems to be due to lack of foresight. If they could put a man out in space & bring him back safely surely it's not that difficult to make a video recording or even take a few photos of it. I would have thought that concrete & undeniable proof would be one of the priorities or why bother to do it in the first place? ???
 

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Reply #15 - Jul 21st, 2004 at 7:40pm

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Just to clarify, I meant Apollo 11's first EVA.  Not THE first EVA.

Regardless of Soviet EVA's, which I do not deny, Ed White's (to the best of my recollection) during the Gemini program, was well documented, as the American space program tended to show both failures and successes.
 
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This is fascinating stuff Richie. I respect your great knowledge on the subject have no reason to doubt what you say. I've searched the web but can't find any reference to this fake video. Can you give me a reference?

I've been looking for the reference ever since I said that because I figured someone would want to know where I got it.  I remember I used it in a paper I wrote for a space history class I took last year (it was in my term paper).  I found a book about early Sovet missions.  Unfortunately, I can't seem to locate the paper (which has a works cited page on it).  I'm going to keep looking for it and if I find I'll get back to you.  I remember being suprised when I read it, but it gave all the reasons why it couldn't be real-it was really interesting.
 
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Reply #17 - Jul 22nd, 2004 at 3:46am

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I remember being suprised when I read it, but it gave all the reasons why it couldn't be real-it was really interesting.

Thanks Richie. I would like to see it. I think you have to be careful here. If this is a single reference source not backed up by others I would treat it with suspicion & ask myself about the author's motives & credibility. If there's any truth to it I'm surprised this hasn't been more widely publicised & discussed elsewhere. I could show you many books & articles "proving" all the old conspiracy theories about the NASA moon shots. I'm sure you've seen these many times yourself. Some are very convincing arguments indeed. There's just as many, if not more, debunking these theories. Some of the latter are emotional responses not based on any real evidence & sound less convincing to the impartial observer. If you're prepared to find fault with one argument you must also do the same for the other side when the positions are reversed.

It's always more difficult finding the truth when any historical event is partly shrouded in secrecy & misinformation for whatever reasons. You have to look at all the available "evidence" & make up your own mind. Sometimes the truth will eventually come out many decades after the event when official government documents are declassified. This might be completely different to what everyone believed at the time & for many years afterwards. The truth is often stranger than any fiction as I've found out myself. Much of what I once believed (& was even taught at school) about history & science has been disproven during my lifetime. This is sometimes very difficult to accept.
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