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Jul 7th, 2004 at 2:33pm

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Hi Aviators and Mechanics... 8)...!

One of the commonest worry of pilots, when flying over remote mountains and large expanses of water, is the never-ending fear of engine failure.

Bearing in mind the simplicity of Lycoming/Continental flat 4, normally aspirated, (carburettor), piston engines with fixed pitch props, does anyone have a list, in order of occurrence and severity, the causes of failure in this type of engine whilst in the air?

Magneto failure and carburettor icing would be typical examples.

(This type of engine would be fitted to a Cessna 150/152/172).

Many thanks... Grin....!

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Reply #1 - Jul 7th, 2004 at 5:27pm

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collision with another airplane?

 

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Reply #2 - Jul 7th, 2004 at 5:36pm

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Fuel starvation?
 

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Reply #3 - Jul 7th, 2004 at 5:38pm

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putting beer in the tanks?
 
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Reply #4 - Jul 7th, 2004 at 5:58pm

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I shouldn't think that putting sugar in the tanks would speed things up much either. Tongue
 

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Reply #5 - Jul 7th, 2004 at 6:29pm

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...It's obvious I'm not going to get any sense out of you flippin' lot, am I.... Grin...?

LOL...LOL...LOL...!

Cheers all..!

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...did I expect otherwise... Roll Eyes...?

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Reply #6 - Jul 7th, 2004 at 7:06pm

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Hey Paul, just spotted the post.
For serious answers - hope this helps:

Engine Failure Statistics

2 percent are internal failures sometimes detectable by oil analysis

2 percent are oil problems related to pumps, filters or lines.

3 percent are induction problems related to hoses, clogging or alternate air doors

5 percent are spark problems related to spark plugs, magnetos, wiring harness, or switches.

6 percent are related to poor maintenance

7 percent are due to cylinder/valve problems due to improper leaning

8 percent are fuel related problems of selectors, carburetors, primers, or pumps.

8 percent are carburetor ice related where application of heat occurs too late to be effective.

11 percent are from contaminated fuel

20 percent are from starvation, exhaustion or other failure to deliver problems.

28 percent of engine failures are for unknown reasons where fuel, air or spark are responsible.

Pilots are in the main most likely to be responsible for an engine failure.

Engine component failure accidents:

1.Lycoming engines fail twice as often as Continental
2. Engine size has no effect of frequency of failure
3. 43% mechanical
4. 1 in 5 accidents during cruise. Cruise flight accidents due to weather and fuel.
5. 1 in 3 engine/prop
6. 1 in 4 due to gear or brakes
7. 1 in 6 due to fuel
Fuel exhaustion is most common factor.
8. 18% of engine type accidents caused by engine failure unrelated to pilot induced failure.
9. 1.296 per 100,000 flight hours
10. Pneumatic system is 1:40,000 IFR flight plans filed.
11. 25% of all accident occur after partial or total loss of engine power.
12. When planes switched from piston-powered engines to jet engines in the 1960s, they immediately became more reliable by a factor of 10.

Other reasons: UFO attack ???
Flying into restricted airspace (Military patrolled)

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Reply #7 - Jul 7th, 2004 at 7:18pm

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Hi Carl... Grin...!
Thanks Mate. That's EXACTLY what I was looking for.
I have saved your text for reference.
Seriously useful information.... Wink...!
Thanks again Mate... 8)...!

Cheers... Grin...!

Paul.

P.S. ...1.Lycoming engines fail twice as often as Continental

....This is what I have been told by owners of Cessna 150's fitted with Rolls Royce Continental engines. They claim their engines are assembled with more care and precision, and are more reliable.... Wink...!

 

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Reply #8 - Jul 7th, 2004 at 7:22pm

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No worries mate glad to help the aged Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Tongue
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11 percent are from contaminated fuel

That's actually a worryingly large amount Shocked
Once again glad to be of service.

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Reply #9 - Jul 7th, 2004 at 7:36pm

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No worries mate glad to help the aged Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Tongue

Thanx. Carl


Cheeky... Wink...!

I'll get my sister from St Olafs Road, Fulham, to pop round to sort you out.. Angry.....(In the nicest possible way).... Wink.... Tongue...!
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Reply #10 - Jul 7th, 2004 at 7:53pm

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LOL! is she anywhere near as OLD as you? LOL Tongue Tongue Tongue Tongue Tongue Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

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Reply #11 - Jul 7th, 2004 at 8:24pm

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Quote:
putting beer in the tanks?


Actually that might help it. Depends where it's from though. If it's American beer it won't run too well. If it's Canadian beer it will go like snot. If it's Russian vodka, we're looking at an airspeed record.  Grin
 

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Reply #12 - Jul 8th, 2004 at 2:47am

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P.S. ...1.Lycoming engines fail twice as often as Continental

....This is what I have been told by owners of Cessna 150's fitted with Rolls Royce Continental engines. They claim their engines are assembled with more care and precision, and are more reliable.... Wink...!

Paul. I'm not sure that Rolls-Royce Continental engines are fitted to Cessnas or other US-built aircraft. Rolls-Royce reluctantly built these engines under licence so they could be fitted in British-built aircraft for use with the RAF, specifically the Beagle Basset & Bulldog. They're likely to be more expensive than the original US-manufactured examples.

I think the most common cause of failure with any petrol (gasoline) engine is fuel contamination. Water caused by condensation when the aircraft is left standing for any length of time with low fuel tanks is the usual culprit. It's most important that this is drained off regularly & particularly before the aircraft is flown. This is part of the DI schedule & usually carried out every morning on club & flying school aircraft.
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Reply #13 - Jul 8th, 2004 at 4:02am
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What on earth are you up to Fozzer  -  I hope you're not writing your memoirs.........? ???
 
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Reply #14 - Jul 8th, 2004 at 10:30am

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I should think fuel problems are the most common reason for the engine stopping. Whether it's water in the tanks, dirt in the fuel line, an airlock or some other sort of contamination.
 

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Reply #15 - Jul 8th, 2004 at 11:55am

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The single biggest cause of engine failure is me Grin
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Reply #16 - Jul 8th, 2004 at 11:59am

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and thats just the co-pilots reaction Grin
 
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Reply #17 - Jul 8th, 2004 at 1:33pm

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Paul. I'm not sure that Rolls-Royce Continental engines are fitted to Cessnas or other US-built aircraft. Rolls-Royce reluctantly built these engines under licence so they could be fitted in British-built aircraft for use with the RAF, specifically the Beagle Basset & Bulldog. They're likely to be more expensive than the original US-manufactured examples.



Hi Doug...
I mentioned this because the little Cessna 150 trainers here have a Rolls Royce badge on the side of the engine cowling, and the pilots of them indicated their like of the Continental engines fitted inside.. 8)...!
The similar Cessna !52's and the larger aircraft are fitted with Avco/Textron Lycoming engines.

Cheers Doug...!

Paul.

P.S. The 150's are getting rather rare now as their time runs out... Cry...!
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Hi Doug...
I mentioned this because the little Cessna 150 trainers here have a Rolls Royce badge on the side of the engine cowling, and the pilots of them indicated their like of the Continental engines fitted inside.. 8)...!
The similar Cessna !52's and the larger aircraft are fitted with Avco/Textron Lycoming engines.

Cheers Doug...!

Paul.

OK. I stand corrected. Embarrassed
That's unless someone pinched some RR badges & stuck them on those little Cessnas for a joke. Tongue Grin

PS. You are quite correct. They were fitted on the Rheims Cessnas. I should have guessed. Sorry. Sad Wink
http://www.piper.aztech.co.uk/ev/history/gbaev_history.htm

PPS. This shows how much I know about Cessnas. Not a lot.
Cheers Paul. Grin
 

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Reply #19 - Jul 8th, 2004 at 1:56pm

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I find that on CFS 2 my engine seems to go down a lot because i slam my prop against the ground. this is just me being a complete low-flying freak, and i usually do this in a B-36 loaded with 2000lb bombs (no, i dont have a death wish, i'm just crazy! Wink)
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Reply #20 - Jul 8th, 2004 at 2:14pm

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OK. I stand corrected. Embarrassed
That's unless someone pinched some RR badges & stuck them on those little Cessnas for a joke. Tongue Grin

PS. You are quite correct. They were fitted on the Rheims Cessnas. I should have guessed. Sorry. Sad Wink
http://www.piper.aztech.co.uk/ev/history/gbaev_history.htm

PPS. This shows how much I know about Cessnas. Not a lot.
Cheers Paul. Grin


Hi Doug...!
Many thanks for the link...(I've saved it)... 8)...!
Lovely little planes, Rheims 150 Aerobats... Grin... Grin... Grin...!
Aluminium, in place or rags and tubes and bits of wood... Wink...LOL...!
I think our little ones are getting near, (or have passed), their "sell by" date, (COA)....shame... Roll Eyes...!

Cheers Doug...!

Paul......off for a read.... Grin....>>>

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