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Reply #15 - Jun 18th, 2004 at 9:07am
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Thanks guys for all of the info , i tried to download some planes last night and i followed your guide lines and so far it's working . But when i'm choosing a plane to download is it okay when it reads FS 2002/2004 or can i only download the ones that read FS 2004 , someone told me that not all files are compatible with FS 2004 and that it has to say FS 2004 and nothing els .
The person that did'nt believe that i have a AMD Athlon 3.2 ghz processor must check with his dealer , i've had this computer for almost a month now and i just called my dealer and he confirmed that it's a 3.2 ghz processor and that they have been availeble for about 40 days now . But anyways thanks for your help guys and if you have anymore info i would be glad to hear it . Grin Cheesy
 
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Reply #16 - Jun 18th, 2004 at 9:17am

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There is NO Amd processor that is 3.2gig that runs at 800mhz fsb.

I think what you mean is that you have a 3200xp and these run at 2.2gig and have a 200mhz fsb which is multiplied by two to give an effective fsb of 400mhz.

I also typed into google your motherboard chipset from your signiture and it clearly states that it's for Amd Athlon XP processors.

http://www.via.com.tw/en/apollo/kt400a.jsp

I think your dealer doesn't even know himself that there is NO Amd 3.2ghz processor.

Amd have a strange performance rating for their processors e.g 3200xp+ which really runs at 2.2gig.

The performance rating just means that it is rougly equivalent to a Pentium 4 3.2gig
 

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Reply #17 - Jun 18th, 2004 at 9:39am
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I just talked to my dealer again and he says that it's posible that AMD calculates it's speed like you say , i'm not trying to have the beter processor it's just when i had him put my computer together i told him i wanted the best stuff availeble (i paid 5400 $ CDN for this sucker ) . Sorry for upsetting you thats not what the forums are for . Undecided
 
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Reply #18 - Jun 18th, 2004 at 9:47am

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Don't worry mate I'm not upset I'm just trying to help explain how the processor ratings work. I'm sorry if I came across as being upset.
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Reply #19 - Jun 18th, 2004 at 10:27am

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I just talked to my dealer again and he says that it's posible that AMD calculates it's speed like you say , i'm not trying to have the beter processor it's just when i had him put my computer together i told him i wanted the best stuff availeble (i paid 5400 $ CDN for this sucker ) .Undecided


???  I SELL computers (as well as repair them).  I would never have made such an outrageous claim about an Athlon (I do prefer AMD for gaming machines).  I hope your dealer didn't cheat you...

You sound like you may be a bit new to computers.  Don't get discouraged...File navigation takes some time to get used to.  My mother has used a computer at work for over 10 years, and she STILL needs me to install a program, etc.
 

My first flight in a 172 on August 20, 2004&&...&&&&Doing the right thing is more important than doing the thing right. (P. Drucker) &&&&When all think alike, then no one is thinking. (Walter Lippmann)&&&&Boredom's the problem. And how do you beat Boredom? Adventure!!!&&&&Tyler: You-You'll remember my position, won't you?&&&&Rosie: Sure! Stop by for a drink sometime!&&&&Tyler: Wait! Wait! What is my position?&&&&Rosie: Ehhhh...beats the hell outta me! I just hope I can find my way back home!
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Reply #20 - Jun 18th, 2004 at 10:41am
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I think i'm okay installling programs ( games ) but when it comes to adding planes on FS 2004 it gets a little tricky. I get confused when I need to put things in different folders like sounds , gauges , textures and effects . I have CFS 3 is it aso hard to add planes to the program ? I'm scared to install it . I'm very happy with my new computer and it works just great , it's just adding planes to FS 2004 , but i think i'm starting to understand how to do it and what i did wrong . My dealer also told me that AMD is way better than pentium is this true ? Thanks for all the info , if you have anymore tips i'm here to whole day. Grin
 
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Reply #21 - Jun 18th, 2004 at 11:22am

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I think i'm okay installling programs ( games ) but when it comes to adding planes on FS 2004 it gets a little tricky. I get confused when I need to put things in different folders like sounds , gauges , textures and effects . I have CFS 3 is it aso hard to add planes to the program ? I'm scared to install it . I'm very happy with my new computer and it works just great , it's just adding planes to FS 2004 , but i think i'm starting to understand how to do it and what i did wrong . My dealer also told me that AMD is way better than pentium is this true ? Thanks for all the info , if you have anymore tips i'm here to whole day. Grin


Putting things in different folders is what file navigation is all about.  Sometimes Mods come with their own .exe and install automatically to where they should go, but many times, you have to put several different things in several different places.  I have yet to find something that I couldn't figure out from the readme included with most downloads.

Take other exaples:

I also play Jagged Alliance: Urban Chaos (if you go to the bearpit forum, you'll see some posts from me in the UC General discussions there).  Urban Chaos is a fun turn-based strategy (think Silent Storm).  However, installing it involved moving several different files from different directories.  Then you had to be sure to start the program from the correct .exe (there was the original and the new one).  Starting from the original caused all kinds of wierd problems.  I found out my problem from writing on the forums, and reading the responses (most everybody likes to help).

2 other examples are Morrowind and Neverwinter Nights.  Installing mods for these also involves moving files.  The Monty Python module was worth the effort alone.

The point is that installing downloadable stuff to get that much more out of your games involves file transfer.  It is a great skill to have with regards to computing (even if you don't repair or build them).  Just keep at it. It's a bit like flying!  Practice make perfect.  After you've been at it a while, it's as easy as breathing!

I also teach computer classes at this business and we're working on an into to computers classes.  I'm thinking of incorporating games into how we'll teach file navigation.  What do you think?

As for your question regarding Pentium vs. AMD, the answer depends on who you ask...

Here is my take on the issue:  The Pentium is faster, no question about that.  However, the speed difference is slight and a comparable AMD processor tends to be a LOT less.  You also need to take the cost of the Motherboard into account.  Again Pentium systems tend to be more costly than an AMD system.

Mind you I'm talking gaming machines here.  For business machines (or most non-gaming system for that matter) I usually recommend a Pentium Celeron processor.  For a user who uses their system for Word Processing, Internet surfing, and e-mail, anything more would be overkill...

Sorry about the long winded answer, I like to be thorough.
 

My first flight in a 172 on August 20, 2004&&...&&&&Doing the right thing is more important than doing the thing right. (P. Drucker) &&&&When all think alike, then no one is thinking. (Walter Lippmann)&&&&Boredom's the problem. And how do you beat Boredom? Adventure!!!&&&&Tyler: You-You'll remember my position, won't you?&&&&Rosie: Sure! Stop by for a drink sometime!&&&&Tyler: Wait! Wait! What is my position?&&&&Rosie: Ehhhh...beats the hell outta me! I just hope I can find my way back home!
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Reply #22 - Jun 18th, 2004 at 11:47am
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Don't worry about the length of your reply . I do envy your knowledge about computers , and after reading your last post i must agree that you should pass on your knowledge to others in the form of classes . It would be a benefit for the ones that apply . I do have a question for you , how do you add textures to a plane you allready have in the game ? Do i have to find the plane in the FS 2004 aircraft folder and just add the texture or what ? Well then the AMD processor is good for me because i do a lot of gaming  (even some on-line)
Do you think i should install CFS 3 ? If i want to add planes is it the same way ? My frame rate is 20 is that okay or does it have to be lower or higher ? I hope i'm not putting you off with all these questions . Thanks for your help . ??? Grin
 
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Reply #23 - Jun 18th, 2004 at 12:21pm

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Putting me off!?  Not at all, it gives me something to do while that machine I'm working on is going through the motions!

I haven't added textures to planes (yet) but I assume that you put them in the c:\program files\microsoft games\flight simulator 9\aircraft\aircraft they are for and in the textures folder.  Do the download .zip files have readme.txt files in them.  Those usually tell you where to put them, or to unzip them.

I don't have CFS, but I would think that add-on stuff is addes the same way.

I recently added the Mackinac bridge (maybe I can find the nearby Old Mission lighthouse) by simply adding it to a folder (I think it said add-on scenery) and VOLIA!

Anyway, I say Go for it on installing CFS!  Playing around is how you learn.  Make changes gradually, testing them as you go (an excersise in patience, but it's the best method as I can attest).

When it comes to combat airtime, I prefer Lock-On Modern Air Combat, or IL-2 Sturmovik.  I also play Enemy Engaged (a Helicoper sim).  I'm usually playing Flight simulator when I fly (I've been known to play Painkiller when my brain needs some R&R).
 

My first flight in a 172 on August 20, 2004&&...&&&&Doing the right thing is more important than doing the thing right. (P. Drucker) &&&&When all think alike, then no one is thinking. (Walter Lippmann)&&&&Boredom's the problem. And how do you beat Boredom? Adventure!!!&&&&Tyler: You-You'll remember my position, won't you?&&&&Rosie: Sure! Stop by for a drink sometime!&&&&Tyler: Wait! Wait! What is my position?&&&&Rosie: Ehhhh...beats the hell outta me! I just hope I can find my way back home!
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Reply #24 - Jun 18th, 2004 at 12:38pm
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Some of them do have a readme txt file , but most of them don't say a thing about how and where to install . And then others say so much it gets comfusing . But what do you think about FS 2004 compatibility with FS 2002 files ? Do you think their safe to install ? As you can see i changed my systems specifics . Thanks for helping me out here jordanj . Cheesy Grin
 
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Reply #25 - Jun 18th, 2004 at 12:48pm

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Try one and see what it does...

I installed a plane (the Vinka) which was for FS2002, but it works, unless I try to manually tune the radio (the game crashes when I change the channel).

Try and see if it works...

Just remember what I said about making changes gradually...
 

My first flight in a 172 on August 20, 2004&&...&&&&Doing the right thing is more important than doing the thing right. (P. Drucker) &&&&When all think alike, then no one is thinking. (Walter Lippmann)&&&&Boredom's the problem. And how do you beat Boredom? Adventure!!!&&&&Tyler: You-You'll remember my position, won't you?&&&&Rosie: Sure! Stop by for a drink sometime!&&&&Tyler: Wait! Wait! What is my position?&&&&Rosie: Ehhhh...beats the hell outta me! I just hope I can find my way back home!
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Reply #26 - Jun 18th, 2004 at 3:14pm

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Also, there's a forum for CFS as well...
 

My first flight in a 172 on August 20, 2004&&...&&&&Doing the right thing is more important than doing the thing right. (P. Drucker) &&&&When all think alike, then no one is thinking. (Walter Lippmann)&&&&Boredom's the problem. And how do you beat Boredom? Adventure!!!&&&&Tyler: You-You'll remember my position, won't you?&&&&Rosie: Sure! Stop by for a drink sometime!&&&&Tyler: Wait! Wait! What is my position?&&&&Rosie: Ehhhh...beats the hell outta me! I just hope I can find my way back home!
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Reply #27 - Jun 18th, 2004 at 7:36pm
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I did'nt know that . how's your day been ?I downloaded
several planes and they all work properly now . I think i will install my CFS 3 tomorrow on my computer and check if their are any planes to download . Again thanks for your help , it has been very educational . Hope to hear from you again tomorrow to hear more of your computer knowledge !!!
Thanks jordanj
 
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Reply #28 - Jun 18th, 2004 at 9:47pm

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You're welcome.

One more thing to bear in mind about processors and GHz ratings...There's little difference in real-world performance between 2Ghz and even 3GHz.  As in less than 10%.  Meanwhile, the faster one is significantly pricier than the slower one (which performs as well as far as you will be able to percieve.)  The only place where the difference will be obvious is in a benchmarking program (such as 3DMark).  The real bottlenecks are the Bus speed, the amount of RAM, and the Graphics Card.  In fact, the Graphics Card has the most effect...
 

My first flight in a 172 on August 20, 2004&&...&&&&Doing the right thing is more important than doing the thing right. (P. Drucker) &&&&When all think alike, then no one is thinking. (Walter Lippmann)&&&&Boredom's the problem. And how do you beat Boredom? Adventure!!!&&&&Tyler: You-You'll remember my position, won't you?&&&&Rosie: Sure! Stop by for a drink sometime!&&&&Tyler: Wait! Wait! What is my position?&&&&Rosie: Ehhhh...beats the hell outta me! I just hope I can find my way back home!
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Reply #29 - Jun 18th, 2004 at 11:04pm

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Another thing is the heat issue.  Heat is a computer's by-product and one of its 3 worst enemies (along with moisture and static electricity or ESD).  Pentiums automatically shut themselves off if they get too hot.  Athlons, on the other hand, cook.  The smell of an Athlon that overheated has a smell you'll never forget.

Once, when I was rebuilding my machine, I got the heat sink on backwards (why they built it so it was possible to do so, I'll never know).  It took out the processor and Graphics card at the same time (fortunately, both were under warranty).

 

My first flight in a 172 on August 20, 2004&&...&&&&Doing the right thing is more important than doing the thing right. (P. Drucker) &&&&When all think alike, then no one is thinking. (Walter Lippmann)&&&&Boredom's the problem. And how do you beat Boredom? Adventure!!!&&&&Tyler: You-You'll remember my position, won't you?&&&&Rosie: Sure! Stop by for a drink sometime!&&&&Tyler: Wait! Wait! What is my position?&&&&Rosie: Ehhhh...beats the hell outta me! I just hope I can find my way back home!
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