I always hated them in simulators because I can't fly them, I think they are awesome in reality.

I must be doing something fundamentally wrong. I read the the manuals, the tips, and they just won't fly for me.

I try it by the numbers, no go. I hate them. I can't fly them.

I just spent about 8 hours at a concorde project website, fsfrance, downloaded about fifty downloads that were the scattered pieces of some major project, Pieced together a Concorde and it still wouldn't fly!   

I think the  joke was on me for sure............

I seem to have big probs with panels, this latest one was a bit blurry and very hard to tell what the gauges were, I think my eyes are half the problem after trying to stare at it as well.

I'm not getting speed or climb rate like I should.

I seem to run out of power over 30,000ft, I try for the numbers in thrust, climb rate and speed, and it doesn't seem to happen.

It's like I'm draggin flap. I got around that by upping the power scalar 50% in the aircraft.cfg and it seemed to respond a little better and it even reached cruise speed after about 2000 miles.

These were supposed to be the latest airfiles etc.

So, what the heck am I doin wrong? 

Is there a Concorde out there that works?

hi there

i downloaded that same project mach2 concorde from fsfrance, and i too have problems flying it.

i took off one day from miami intl headed for guarulhos (sao paulo)... half way into the climb, the goddamn thing stalls on me and falls to the ground like a rock 

the flight dynamics are very screwed up on that plane, semms that once you go over 40000 feet, the engines lose more than half their efficiency

i think there is a patch you can dowload that fixes the flight dynamics.... it's deep down on the PM2 download page, along with the 50 other pieces of download that you have to puzzle together...

there's also a flight manual...   in french

if this patch doens't work you can always search for other concorde FD's out there...

BTW: the concorde doesn't behave like a normal airliner so the ATC won't know what to do with it, just fly direct GPS instead...

oh, and don't go below 180kts or you WILL stall

happy flying

c ya

Moach

I run the Microsoft FS2000 Concorde model in FS2002, with RollerBall's BA repaint - I've got a (shock horror) Virgin repaint from the SimV site too! I use some modified dynamics that make it flywell in 2002 - but don't know about 2004. Anybody wants to try it, send me an IM with your email address ...

I've never tried a Concorde but I've got '00 laying around somewhere so I may try it.

I always hated a/c that used the Concorde autopilot, though.  That thing never worked right.

(microlight - Look for my pm.  I may get a head start on it.)

(PS - Do you use any particular panel or just a modified MS panel?)

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Odd, I find it's the only autopilot that works properly, on 2K2.

I've never had problems with the PM2 Concorde. Well except for the fact that it's incredably frame rate unfriendly.

You just need to know how to fly deltas properly. First off, the Delta wing is very fickle. At high speed, it's very efficient. It's narrow profile is excellent at reducing drag. It's hard to explain this in techincal terms so I'll use a metaphore. Imagine your swimming in a pool. If you put your arms at 90 degrees to your body (like conventional wings) you will really feel the water drag on your arms as you kick yourself through the water. Pull them close to your body and less drag.

Of course, this advantage to the delta is a double edged sword. Streight wings are a lot better at low speed because they make more direct contact with the air. Delta's do not generate enough lift at low speeds. They require high takeoff and landing speeds as well as high flying speeds to prevent the aircraft from stalling. They also require a high angle of attack when landing and taking-off to deflect more air down to generate lift. Most early deltas didn't have flaps. These problems have been solved, the F-14 is a good example.

The best route in flying the Concorde is to let the autopilot do most of the work. Real life Concorde pilots only take off and land and the AP does the rest. In FS, while flying the concorde in the DVC, be sure to lower the nose for taxi, takeoff, and landing. This will allow you to see better. Raise the nose and visor in flight to reduce drag. I'm not sure how it's modeled in FS, but the nose does cause a lot of drag when lowered causing takeoff and landing speeds to be even higher. Just switch to full screen view if your having problems with that.

Another thing to remember is to use the reheat. This is required for takeoff and climb.

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Keep in mind, Concorde isn't like the other birds many of us are used to flying. She's a unique bird. I fly by the charts and seem to have no problem, but at that rate if I did, i'd be scared. I've flowen 5hrs from London to Toronto in 'er, and had no problem. There's a translation of the PM2 French Checklist somewhere on this site, d/l that and follow it. Works flawlessly. If any has copies of the real BA or Air France checklists, please send 'em this way.  Also- If anyone is intersted in doing a Concorde group flight sometime, let me know. 

Maybe this will help some people:

TAKEOFF

·Afterburners -- ON    
·Thrust Levers -- FULL POWER
·Engine gauges -- MONITOR
·Airspeed 80 KIAS -- CALL "80 KNOTS" -- CHECK ENGINE POWER
·Airspeed V1 -- CALLOUT "V1"
·Airspeed VR -- CALLOUT "ROTATE" -- ROTATE TO ABOUT 13 DEGREES PITCH UP
·Airspeed V2 -- CALLOUT "V2"
·Landing gear -- UP (when positive rate of climb)
·Hold nose at 13.5 Degrees
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AFTER TAKE-OFF

·Landing gear -- UP (CHECK)
·Landing lights -- OFF
·Afterburners -- OFF after about 1 minute 10 seconds for noise procedures
·Visor/nose -- RAISE at about 300 knots (350 is the approx. max visor down speed) 
____________________________________
CLIMB

·Altimeter -- ADJUST
·Fuel transfer -- TOWARDS REAR (C.G. at 55%)
____________________________________
TRANSONIC

·Afterburners -- ON (can be a varied altitude, when cleared to about 30k, Re-engage. If your a freak for realism, like me, then engage them two at a time. Inboard then Outboard. This was done so the jolt of the afterburners coming on wouldn't startle pax.)
·Fuel transfer -- TOWARDS REAR
·De-ice -- OFF
·Afterburners -- OFF AT MACH 1.85
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DECELERATION AND DESCENT

·Briefing -- REVIEW APPROACH PROCEDURE
·Altimeters -- CHECK
·Airspeed -- REDUCE TO 350 KIAS
·Altitude -- DESCEND AS REQUIRED
·Fuel transfer -- TOWARDS FRONT  (within C.G. limits)
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APPROACH

·CG/fuel -- CHECK
·Visor/nose -- 5 DEGREES
·SPEED -- APPROX. 180-190 KIAS
____________________________________
FINAL APPROACH

·Landing gear -- SELECT DOWN
·Visor/nose -- LOWERED TO ABOUT 12.5 DEGREES
____________________________________
LANDING ROLL

·Thrust levers -- 15 FEET, CLOSE THROTTLE (IDLE)
·Thrust levers -- REVERSE THRUST ON TOUCHDOWN
·Thrust levers -- TO IDLE AT 100 KIAS
·Brakes -- AS NECESSARY
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AFTER LANDING

·Visor/nose -- 5 DEGREES
·Inboard engines -- SHUTDOWN AS REQUIRED
·Transponder -- STANDBY

(Some content from FSFrance Concorde Checklist, the rest from British Airways Concorde Refrence)



The speeds reached by Concorde vary significantly as a function of temperature, pressure altitude, wind and take-off weight, as well as the length, gradient and general condition of the runway.  Pilots calculate these speeds with the help of charts and complicated tables.  The speeds shown here are approximate values.

Total Flight Simulator aircraft weight with full fuel
          406,003 lbs

NOTE: To adjust fuel load, on the Aircraft menu, click Fuel.

VMO - Maximum Operating Speed (airspeed)
          400 KIAS        (from 5000 to 32000 ft MSL)
          400 - 530 KIAS  (from 32000 to 44000 ft MSL)
          530 KIAS        (from 44000 to 50000 ft MSL)

MMO - Maximum Operating Speed (Mach)
          .65 - 1.07 Mach (from 5000 to 32000 ft MSL)
          1.75 - 2.0 Mach (from 44000 to 50000 ft MSL)
          2.04 Mach       (from 51000 to 60000 ft MSL)

VLA - Minimum Permitted Speed
          250 KIAS        (from 15000 to 41000 ft MSL)
          300 KIAS        (from 41000 to 60000 ft MSL)

Maximum Speed Visor Lowered
          325 KIAS/.8 Mach

Maximum Speed Nose Lowered
          270 KIAS

Maximum Landing Gear Operating/Extension Speed
          270 KIAS/.7 Mach

Minimum Permissible Runway Length for Landing and Take-off
          2000m        6562 ft

Maximum Permitted Landing Weight
          111,130 kg   244,486 lb

Maximum Permitted Take-off Weight
          185,070 kg   407,154 lb

When you are in command of Concorde in Flight Simulator (406,003 lb),
use the highest values in the range of suggested speeds

V1 - Takeoff Decision Speed
             120 - 190 KIAS

VR - Rotation Speed
             139 (minimum) - 205 KIAS

V2 - Takeoff Safety Speed with one engine failure
             175 - 225 KIAS

VREF - Landing Approach Speed
            150 - 162 KIAS


I think i'll make a checklist w/ all this info in it so people can try it with the Kneeboard open in FS9.