I have to agree, I saw an interview with Dr. Ballard recently and what he said really did highlight that some people are so low and selfish that the couldn't even be called s**t as that would be insulting excrement.
I remember the day the Titanic was found, I was always interested in it. And my next birthday my parents got me Dr. Ballards book on the Titanic, it had only come out a few days before in the UK, they must have ordered it months in advance, and I still have it and treasure it.
It is tragic that people feel its okay to defile a graveyard to put a couple of bucks in their pocket And whats worse is people are buying this stuff. So much for respect for the dead

Ozzy

As a quick side note to this ...... Not wanting to detract from the obvious underhand behaviour that has plagued the wreck of the Titanic which is dispicable.
There is a Pub in Northumberland (UK) I think... however once again its a saturday night and alcohol has hold of my system.... which has the original panels and other artifacts  from the Olympic as its dining room and staircase.....


someone remind me in the morning to find more  info

Yours Drunkanly

eno

I'm afraid this is human nature - it's called avarice. Some people will always want what others cannot have or afford & will do anything to get it. Grave robbing has been going on since we first walked this planet. This just takes it to a new level. It might have been better if Titanic had never been discovered. IMHO

I've never heard of the Olympic conspiracy but I can say for sure it's not true. Dispite the fact they were of the same class, the Olympic and the Titanic were not exactly alike. The Olympic was a smaller ship. It also had a less extravagant interior than it's famous sister. You'd also be able to see it's old battle scars.

The reason the Olympic never sank was due to the upgrades after it's accidents. It had run aground and was struck by a ram ship. After these, the hull was reinforced. In fact, I believe it was Captain Smith, who had also commanded the Titanic that had ran the Olympic aground.

After the Titanic disaster, the Olympic's watertight compartments were capped off. Originally they were a lot like an ice cube tray. This is what caused the Titanic to sink. You can prove this by tilting up an ice cube tray and pouring water into the first two compartments. Once they're full, water will begin to flow into the next two and so on. This is why the Titanic sank so quickly. Olympic's compartments were capped off to make them truly watertight.

During WWI, the Olympic was converted to an Atlantic troop vessle. This is when it was painted in its famous "Dazzle" livery which broke up the shadow of the ship making it nearly invisible to submarines. After that, it was put into service with Cunard Lines until it was scrapped in the mid 1930s.

I also found some info on Eno's pub. It's the White Swan Hotel in Alnwick Northumberland.

I'd like to know exactly whose jurisdiction the wreck falls under. It's just off the grand banks so it's hard to tell if it's in Canadian or international waters. If it was proclaimed a World Historic Site, then it couldn't be touched.

Titanic will eventually rot but the items recovered should be in a museum, not in the hands of private collectors. Some of the artifacts were on tour a few years back on loan from some museum. They had them on display in one of the big halls at the Toronto CNE grounds. I went and saw it. Some fantastic stuff.

I've read the transcrips too. They're in that book I recomended to Ozzy. It even has the passenger list and cargo manefest.

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Erm yes, except the White Star Line, the initial owners of the R.M.S.Titanic, were absorbed into Cunard some years back.

The Olympic, when scrapped, was found to have torpedo damage!

The Titanic film is indeed accurate, however, the chances of the engines being full reversed when travelling @ full speed is not very likely when you consider no passengers reporting any more than a slight bump.

Ask any naval sailor who's been through a "crash stop & reverse" - its one of the most stressful things you can subject a ship & its driveline to and invariably does cause damage to propellor shafts etc.

Most likely, 2'nd officer murdoch simply let the ship coast past the berg, thus not disturbing the flow of water past the ships (too small) rudder.

The lookouts did'nt have binoculars, she was steaming full tilt into a known icefield, they thought she was "unsinkable" (46,000tonnes of Iron) and we still wonder why she sank!

And Cunard are??

I have a copy of a message sent by one of my ancestors to a friend on the Titanic. the message never reached the recipient. The second copy I have is a message sent to the Carpathia, which was recieved, and told how he had survived the sinking

Cunard us perhaps one of the world's oldest cruise lines. They're owned by Carnival now, the tackiest cruiseline in the world. 

My mom immigrated to Canada on a Cunard ship in 1957. I believe it was the Corinthian. She was only 4 at the time. They couldn't afford to fly here although my Grandad had flown across about a month before to find work. He worked at Stelco (the big Hamilton steel mill) before moving over to Avro Canada.

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No Probably about it Woody, the way the ship was designed & built would have ensured that.

(Computer simulations of a head-on ram into the iceberg at Harland & Wolff in Belfast,the Titanics builders,have consistently shown this I'm reliably informed)

Edward Wilding was asked about the possible result of hitting the berg head on. His figures were considered valid.
In a head-on collision, the bow would have compacted some 80-100 feet, flooding the first two compartments. If three compartments were breached, you still have a ship afloat.
For Mr. Murdoch, charged with making a decision, a head-on collision means you condemn the crewmen in the forward crew spaces and possibly some third class passengers in the forward spaces.

Without KNOWING the outcome in advance, no court on the planet would have exonerated Murdoch for the loss of life without trying to avoid the collision. The shock of the collision would have been similar to stopping your car from 25mph in an 80 to 100 foot distance. Sleeping passengers probably wouldn't have noticed. Other passengers would have felt a minor lurch forward. Try it in a car park.

On the other hand, such a collision does send shock waves through the length of the ship and this can pop rivets and even streamline fittings in the center of the ship. The hull will bend and compress in a sudden stop and produce a great deal of unexpected damage. This has been found to be the case in ships suffering near misses by bombs and shells during war. The shock to the hull from a near miss can play havoc in the engine spaces.


Ultimately, if you were on the Bridge, when the berg was spotted, would you just plough straight into it?  With what we know now, yes, back then, absolutely not!

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