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Which payware aircraft would you want me to make
Boeing 767 - 20$
Saab 2000 - 10$
Boeing 707 - 20$
Bombardier Global Express - 30$
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Which plane would you want me to make?
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Mike it would take alot of knowledge to make these planes becasue many are made with the help of real world pilots...but if you made them good I may buy
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I don't believe this Mike.
After your comments on payware you
CANNOT
be serious.
Even without that you need to serve your apprenticeship first. You've only been involved in this hobby for a few months to my knowledge.
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Hagar's right...you have to earn your wings first. It would be pretty hard to get customers if you don't have some sort of established bona fides.
Build freeware first and don't worry about payware until you've got a fair bit of experience. Get 30,000 to 50,000 downloads under your belt first.
Then get ready for somebody to rip you off and distribute it illegaly unless you're using a pretty sophisticated protection scheme.
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Hagar's right...you have to earn your wings first. It would be pretty hard to get customers if you don't have some sort of established bona fides.
Build freeware first and don't worry about payware until you've got a fair bit of experience. Get 30,000 to 50,000 downloads under your belt first.
First of all, don't judge my skills in aircraft design vy how many downloads i get. I've got a ton of planes on my computer that i've made, and if i showed them to some of you guys, you'd beg for me to upload them. You see, i dont just do this for one or two hours a day. I sit at my PC using gmax from 12-7 hours a day, figuring out diffenent things. I can easily do something like this, so don't think my work is "not so great" cause i'm a kid, you're making a big mistake there.
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Then get ready for somebody to rip you off and distribute it illegaly unless you're using a pretty sophisticated protection scheme.
I think of it like this, if some yahoo is stealing my stuff, at least it's good enough to steal. Tell me, if you were, lets say a jewelry theif, what would you steal, some cheap chinese 10$ fake pearl necklace or a 100,000$ real pearl necklace, it's a stupid example, but i'm trying to give a clear idea of what i mean
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First of all, don't judge my skills in aircraft design vy how many downloads i get. I've got a ton of planes on my computer that i've made, and if i showed them to some of you guys, you'd beg for me to upload them. You see, i dont just do this for one or two hours a day. I sit at my PC using gmax from 12-7 hours a day, figuring out diffenent things. I can easily do something like this, so don't think my work is "not so great" cause i'm a kid, you're making a big mistake there.
Then post a few screenshots of your work Mike.
As the old saying goes, "put up or shut up"
My life is like the movie Office Space
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I also highly doubt that someone would be willing to pay an essentially amateur designer $30 for an aircraft when no one has ever seen one of said designer's creations.
I agree with SaVas...
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I only get this when trying to click the subject line ???
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First of all, don't judge my skills in aircraft design vy how many downloads i get. I've got a ton of planes on my computer that i've made, and if i showed them to some of you guys, you'd beg for me to upload them. You see, i dont just do this for one or two hours a day. I sit at my PC using gmax from 12-7 hours a day, figuring out diffenent things. I can easily do something like this, so don't think my work is "not so great" cause i'm a kid, you're making a big mistake there.
Mike - we've learned enough to know that "kids" (and this in age, only) can be brilliant flightsim builders. We know that you don't need to have a gazillion downloads to be a good designer - you can build the best, most detailed, and most accurate "Pou de Ciel" - and you'll probably get creamed for the way it flies (if it's accurate, it'll fly like poop).
If you're spending 7-12 hours a day working gmax, I have no doubt you are capable of some significant magic. The problem is, you haven't shown your work. so you can pound your chest, but, seeing is believing.
Of course, the Wright brothers had that little problem too. They told all they flew, but weren't believed, because, except for themselves and their small party, no one saw it happen!
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Mike, you missed my point.
I judged your skill not on how many hours you may have put in...but by your
demonstrated
skill level. At present, your demonstrated skill level is zero. Your actual skill may be quite high, in fact unless you are a total klutz it probably is. Until you release some of your babies into the real world of public opinion we have no way of knowing.
Release a few things as freeware, see how the public reacts. You will find that many people have totally different weighting on what they find acceptable than you do. The resultant feedback can only benefit your evolution as a designer.
I offer myself as an example:
My least complex subject has the most D/L's (6000+ that I can trace).
My worst subject is second (3000+ but no longer available on the web).
My better built, more complex planes are all between 1000 and 2000.
My most fanmail was generated by my worst subject.
Now, it's obvious to me that I am yet to fully grasp what it is that the public wants. 20000+ downloads and I still not quite where I thought I might be. I'm becoming a better designer because the D/L'ing public is demanding better...and I find that I want to give it to them.
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Mike,
How much for the rock?
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I agree with what Hagar said. From some of your previous comments I am getting the impression that you are either having money problems or ar just a hypocrite
. From these I believe that the latter of the two is true. You already mentioned that you have stolen a few planes yourself from other payware designers and now say that you don't care if someone else steals your work, thus proving that money is not your problem. I don't think you really get the idea of this payware thing. As silverfox said, there is no proven evidence of your work so you are not going to get many customers until you do provide this evidence. The whole point of releasing a payware plane is to get a little ca$h for it. if everyone is stealing your work you will end up with one customer at the very most, mabye very few more
honest
customers. everyone else will just get it for free if they can.
Personally i think you should think this over first before you try selling your work. then after that, mabye you will get a few customers. if you can stop the thieves.
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Which ever is cheaper
PS just make freeware!
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Mike,
How much for the rock?
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Dave 8)
That!? Hah!! That was just an experiment
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I agree with what Hagar said. From some of your previous comments I am getting the impression that you are either having money problems or ar just a hypocrite
. From these I believe that the latter of the two is true. You already mentioned that you have stolen a few planes yourself from other payware designers and now say that you don't care if someone else steals your work, thus proving that money is not your problem. I don't think you really get the idea of this payware thing. As silverfox said, there is no proven evidence of your work so you are not going to get many customers until you do provide this evidence. The whole point of releasing a payware plane is to get a little ca$h for it. if everyone is stealing your work you will end up with one customer at the very most, mabye very few more
honest
customers. everyone else will just get it for free if they can.
Personally i think you should think this over first before you try selling your work. then after that, mabye you will get a few customers. if you can stop the thieves.
The thing you forget is, i'm just asking you're opinions, i never made any mention of the fact that i was planning on releasing payware
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This is ridiculous. Argument for argument's sake is not constructive but simply intended to provoke strong reactions. It's the way Internet Trolls get their kicks. I'm not falling for your little game & suggest nobody comments or responds any further in this thread. I would have thought you have better things to do.
If you want help or advice the members of this forum will give it willingly with no thought of reward. Please don't abuse their generosity Mike.
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I don't think you understood what i meant Hagar, it's not my goal to "provoke strong reactions" as you put it, i simply wanted to see what simviators' opinions were on what aircraft i should make if i was going to make a payware aircraft. There's nothing wrong with just asking a question, and seeing what the people's opinions are, so i strongly suggest you do not go around assuming that i am trying to provoke people, i have made it clear in the past that there is simply no reason to.
Thanks
Mike
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Mike please just give it a rest.
Your little games are tiresome and it's just a twist of facts to say that you don't provoke other posters. You want me to give examples of how many posts you mention me for no reason? Also you've been warned a couple of times by the kind Admin here so I'd play it cool if I were you. How logical is it by you (who has frequently stated you're against payware) to declare that *Hey guys I'm going to make payware what you you guys want me to do!*
A very inconsistent behavior, and that's why it's hard to take you seriously.
And why don't you show what you got instead of bragging about your designs? School yard boasting at its best. You have avoided any questions regarding previews. Promising gold and delivering copper eh?
Put up or shut up
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Well, maybe if you had taken a look a few days back on the freeware screenshots forum, you wouldn't you wouldn't be yappin' on with your crap about "put up or shut up". I also take it you haven't checked the Aircraft & 3d design forum, if your still going on like this.
I'm not falling for your s#%$ anymore Nexus - i've got much better things to do then put up with the patchetic insults you throw at me
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Well, maybe if you had taken a look a few days back on the freeware screenshots forum, you wouldn't you wouldn't be yappin' on with your crap about "put up or shut up". I also take it you haven't checked the Aircraft & 3d design forum, if your still going on like this.
I'm not falling for your s#%$ anymore Nexus - i've got much better things to do then put up with the patchetic insults you throw at me
Mike - you ARE overreacting. Not everybody, including me, visits every forum consistently, so that your postings with screen shots may not have been seen by everyone. The comments to "show your work" are valid. NO ONE is saying that you are not capable of commercial work - before commenting on what payware mdoels you could build, many people would like to jusge for themselves what is your current level of expertise in modelling.
You appear to have come a long way in a short time, so I have no doubt that a few releases under your belt are in the future.
MAy I suggest that you do upload a model or two, so the flightsim community at large can get to know you and your quality.
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Also keep in mind that this isn't the first time you've appeared to be instigating things, Mike.
I seem to remember a thread wherein people asked you to resize your signature, and you got all defensive there too.
This site isn't the kind of site where people can go and start trouble. There are millions of other sites for that.
I'd recommend you check those out. You might be more able to find an unknowing victim.
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wow wow guys hush if he wants to make payware then let him go ahead and make it then you judge to see how good it is before you buy it..
go ahead mike show us what ur made of in terms of aircraft design and if its good enough we will shut up
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Mike, do your best. Make whatever the hell you want, make it as detailed as hell, and then upload it on simV. as Hagar said, get a few downloads under your belt, but just chill out 8). if you wanna make payware, thats totally cool with me. if you wanna get totally peeved of with this post, then get peeved off. nobody can make you do anything, but then again, sometimes you cant get people to think your way. just do your best, and nobody can diss you!
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I agree with all the previous posts about expierence and solid grounds. It is important to have a mark in the FS Community of your work. I have only seen your Concept jet and some remarks about payware being bad and a big mess up when minor spelling mistakes were made. You'll reach the top if you practice ! Thanks.
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You've been asking us what we want made, so you can decide not to make it, is that right? ???
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