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Reply #15 - May 10th, 2004 at 5:56pm

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I'm on the fence about it.  While my gut says "Okay this is just stupid", there's a tiny part of me that wants there to be something there, ya know?  lol

Interesting statistic, they also said that over 120 ships per year disappear in this area, and over 100 aircraft.

They said it's so common that many times it's not reported because it's just not newsworthy.  lol
 

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Reply #16 - May 10th, 2004 at 6:22pm

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I'm on the fence about it.  While my gut says "Okay this is just stupid", there's a tiny part of me that wants there to be something there, ya know?  lol

Interesting statistic, they also said that over 120 ships per year disappear in this area, and over 100 aircraft.

They said it's so common that many times it's not reported because it's just not newsworthy.  lol

The US Coast Guard might not support these figures.
http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq8-1.htm

A lot of these so-called documentaries are not too accurate. They simply dramatise the same old sensationalist nonsense aimed at people who like to believe in this sort of thing. The old "Marie Celeste" ghost ship myth is often trundled out by these people when I believe the real incident it was based on took place near the coast of Spain. Roll Eyes
 

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Reply #17 - May 10th, 2004 at 6:23pm

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If they took place in US waters, then the Coast Guard stats would reflect them all, but the triangle (or whatever you want to call it) is over a million square miles of sea...not all USCG jurisdiction. Wink
 

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Reply #18 - May 10th, 2004 at 6:29pm

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If they took place in US waters, then the Coast Guard stats would reflect them all, but the triangle (or whatever you want to call it) is over a million square miles of sea...not all USCG jurisdiction. Wink

The original "Triangle" is within US jurisdiction.
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The apexes of the triangle are generally accepted to be Bermuda, Miami, Fla., and San Juan, Puerto Rico.

The area has been conveniently extended every time there was "mysterious" incident over many years to fit the theory. LOL Grin
 

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Reply #19 - May 10th, 2004 at 6:34pm

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Yeah that's one thing that was also mentioned.  lol  It's not triangular at all anymore.  lol
 

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Reply #20 - May 10th, 2004 at 8:03pm

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The Methane was also mentioned in the downing of many aircraft.  The DSC documentary did several experiments.  One where they introduced a methane cloud into a 737 simulator, another to see if a WWII radial engine would cause a mid-air explosion, and a third where they introduced methane directly into the engine.  It took less than 1% methane saturation to kill the engine.  Very cool stuff.
 
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Reply #21 - May 10th, 2004 at 8:45pm

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Human beings love a mystery, anything that will make the world seem less boring than it really is.  The sad truth is that the world is quite a dull place.

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Reply #22 - May 11th, 2004 at 8:34am

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Hmm methane, well if you climb above 13000 ft or so in an unpressurised enviroment then you do in fact get uncontrollable flatulence. Moral of the story, fly with the canopy open Wink Oh and don't have beans before flying anywhere near Bermuda Grin

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Reply #23 - May 11th, 2004 at 9:50am

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Here is a map: it is mainly US waters but a good part of it is UK waters.
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I would see the methane in the water as a good explanation for ships going doing there, but how is so random when it happens?  Methane release is constant.  Ships sail through there and have no problems.  Also i would put aircraft crashing there down to the area being hard to navigate using VFR, unless you use your instruments, which may be faulty, i would recommend keeping a spare compass with you just make sure.
 

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Reply #24 - May 11th, 2004 at 10:42am

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So why is the "methane" thing just taken for granted anyway, WHAT methane? As for a methane "cloud",  I seriously doubt it. I live in an area where methane is produced in vast quantities naturally by way of a marine plant, besides not crashing ships and planes, it stinks to high heaven, the concentrations are so high!

I never smelled that while sailing in the Bermuda triangle.

A simple pressure gradient in the atmosphere would have more of an effect. (The isobars you see on the weather map are sometimes pretty well defined in nature)

Why would gaseous methane, which is essentially an atomised fuel, kill an aircraft engine, at 1% it certainly wouldn't be too rich. (Didn't they inject for WEP? !)

Flight 19 was doomed because a grave mistake was made by the flight leader, I often thought of the poor souls in the following planes, absolutely helpless and no doubt terror stricken. and how I might of reacted to the judgement displayed by the lead. (I would no doubt have been court marshalled for turning tail for Florida! Better to land on the beach than crash into the sea!)

I grew up in Florida, lived in Key Largo and spent a lot of time in that region on boats. A LOT of mysterious stuff goes on there! It's people who are involved and people who are responsible for the "mysteries". I was involved in quite a few myself.   Wink

One night my Dad got us lost sailing to the Bahamas. I just told him I was going to turn left 90 degrees every hour and keep the boat in roughly the same position until morning so we didn't lose position too badly, he went to sleep while I steered by compass for 6 hours.

We dead reckoned our position and travelled an hour by daylight to find our destination where it should be. The compass worked for us. (I was 14 years old and I now have 35,000 sea miles without incident.)

I believe there are local magnetic anomalies in certain areas there, but those are well charted.

It needs to be mentioned that the area is used extensively by novice sailors and aviators who certainly contribute to the Bermuda Triangle Effect. It is also inhabited by "economically challenged" (both rich and poor!) people who might also contribute to some of the mystique by way of their actions on the high seas.

Consider as well the violent thunderstorms of the region, compunding an already volatile recipe.

To us, the Bermuda triangle was something we talked about at campfires and scared tourists with!  Grin

All this so far STILL doesn't explain Hyperion's dilemma, which is, to me, the biggest mystery of them all!

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Reply #25 - May 11th, 2004 at 11:52am

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The explanation produced in this documentary was that due to geographic turbulence...such as a landslide by the many "mountains" and "valleys" on the seabed, large quantities of gas are released at once.

This was considered to be a myth until the mid 90s when an oil platform punctured a "vein" of methane on the sea floor and it was video taped almost sinking with the sea literally boiling around it.
 

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Reply #26 - May 11th, 2004 at 12:09pm

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To us, the Bermuda triangle was something we talked about at campfires and scared tourists with!  Grin

Thanks Congo. Good to get the local point of view which confirms what I've suspected all along. There's nobody easier to fool with this sort of thing than academics & experts. Most of them can't even figure out a simple conjuring trick. The next thing you know they're making "documentaries" about their theories. I bet the locals are laughing their heads off. LOL Roll Eyes
 

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Reply #27 - May 11th, 2004 at 12:53pm

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Is this when you have to move one of your cheeks to fart? Cheesy
 

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Reply #28 - May 11th, 2004 at 1:29pm

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The reason you don't smell the methane is because it dissolves into the water.  Methane will dissolve into water and stay in there and some may leak out from the surface due to the equilibrium that needs to be balanced, but it is minimal so you can't smell it.  Methane dissolved in water will make it "lighter" and cause ships to lack as much bouyancy and the risk of sinking is greater.  Assuming it is not released in massive amounts, then it would reach the surface before dissolving.
 

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Reply #29 - May 11th, 2004 at 2:41pm

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According to the documentary the "methane clouds" are caused by an almost explosive collapse of methane pockets under the ocean floor.  The gas creates a bubble that is quite capable of taking down a ship in seconds.  The bubbles then transfer into the air where the saturate the air and cause planes to lose lift and can cause the engine to stall.  They showed craters in the ocean floor caused by such decompressions.  The amount of methane that cause the sudden sinking of ships or the downing of a plane would be undetectable.  It was a pretty sweet deal all together.
 
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