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Re: Finally Decided on a System Upgrade (Read 553 times)
Apr 23rd, 2004 at 8:04pm

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Sounds very good, what GFX card you looking at for it, also did you mean DDR400 not DDR200 for the RAM.
 

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Reply #1 - Apr 23rd, 2004 at 10:19pm

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Sounds very good, what GFX card you looking at for it, also did you mean DDR400 not DDR200 for the RAM.


I don't have a lot to spend hense the slow RAM. I'm basically using all my old components except RAM so I'll be using a FX5200 with it.
 

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Reply #2 - Apr 24th, 2004 at 12:48pm

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You'll need at least PC3200 DDR RAM for that rig Orenda, otherwise you're wasting your money. I'm sure that's what your getting though, right?

DDR 400 mhz RAM runs at 200mhz, but it's Double Data Rate, ie. effective clock is 400mhz, this is also given the designation, PC3200.

The computer you propose above uses a front side bus speed of 200mhz, also the Athlon 64 CPU uses the 200mhz Front side bus speed as well, but these use it in DDR mode, effectively giving a FSB speed of 400mhz.

The PC you plan should run in SYNC mode, ie. the CPU, FSB and RAM speed are all 200mhz or DDR 400mhz. This "sync" is one of the reasons these systems perform well.

The P4 crowd will scoff at this, saying they have a 800mhz FSB system, but it's very similar, being based on a real FSB clock of 200mhz, but the P4 architecture offers 1 more 2x multiplier to obtain their amazing FSB speed.
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Reply #3 - Apr 24th, 2004 at 3:42pm

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You'll need at least PC3200 DDR RAM for that rig Orenda, otherwise you're wasting your money. I'm sure that's what your getting though, right?

DDR 400 mhz RAM runs at 200mhz, but it's Double Data Rate, ie. effective clock is 400mhz, this is also given the designation, PC3200.

The computer you propose above uses a front side bus speed of 200mhz, also the Athlon 64 CPU uses the 200mhz Front side bus speed as well, but these use it in DDR mode, effectively giving a FSB speed of 400mhz.

The PC you plan should run in SYNC mode, ie. the CPU, FSB and RAM speed are all 200mhz or DDR 400mhz. This "sync" is one of the reasons these systems perform well.

The P4 crowd will scoff at this, saying they have a 800mhz FSB system, but it's very similar, being based on a real FSB clock of 200mhz, but the P4 architecture offers 1 more 2x multiplier to obtain their amazing FSB speed.


So RAM speed effects FSB speed. That doesn't make much sense because I'm running PC-133 at 133mhz but the FSB is running 266mhz. Nobody mentioned this on Guru3d. I'm getting conflicting info now so I better talk to my computer guy before buy any memory.
 

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Reply #4 - Apr 24th, 2004 at 7:36pm

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What will happen is you will get a bottleneck from the RAM.  The FSB will run at 400MHz and the RAM at 200MHZ.  This will cause a signicant performance loss.  Using DDR400 with the FSB of 400MHz will give you a ratio of 1:1 with the RAM and FSB.  This will mean nothing is bottlenecking the other and the performance will be optimal.
 

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Reply #5 - Apr 24th, 2004 at 7:51pm

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What will happen is you will get a bottleneck from the RAM.  The FSB will run at 400MHz and the RAM at 200MHZ.  This will cause a signicant performance loss.  Using DDR400 with the FSB of 400MHz will give you a ratio of 1:1 with the RAM and FSB.  This will mean nothing is bottlenecking the other and the performance will be optimal.


That clears things up. There's a sale on DDR ram for $49. I think that's for all speeds, the ad didn't specify.
 

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Reply #6 - Apr 25th, 2004 at 3:57pm

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Got my RAM today for the new system. 512mb PC-333 DDR. Couldn't find any PC400. I have to wait until May 7 before I can get my new mobo and CPU. Got a big calculus exam on that morning so I got a lot more to worry about than computers.
 

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Reply #7 - Apr 25th, 2004 at 4:38pm

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The P4 crowd will scoff at this, saying they have a 800mhz FSB system, but it's very similar, being based on a real FSB clock of 200mhz, but the P4 architecture offers 1 more 2x multiplier to obtain their amazing FSB speed.



Scoff scoff!

Yup I have an 800fsb system.......

Muhaa!  Grin

 

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Reply #8 - Apr 26th, 2004 at 10:33am

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Got my RAM today for the new system. 512mb PC-333 DDR. Couldn't find any PC400.


AAARRGGHH !!!

You can lead a horse to water.........
 

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Reply #9 - Apr 26th, 2004 at 11:01am

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AAARRGGHH !!!

You can lead a horse to water.........


I guess I'm supposed to pull it out of thin air. Nobody sells it around here and I don't have a credit card to buy it online.
 

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Reply #10 - Apr 28th, 2004 at 4:57am

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That's too bad. It's strange too, because PC3200 DDR RAM (400mhz) is current technology and should be stocked more than any other type of RAM module.

Makes me think the guys around are getting rid of old stock before re-ordering.   ???

Also, the price of PC3200 and the others has been fairly parrallel, here anyway.


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Scoff scoff!

Yup I have an 800fsb system.......

Muhaa!  Grin



LOL! I wasn't going to comment, but you seem to be having a good time!  Wink
 

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Reply #11 - Apr 28th, 2004 at 4:12pm

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That's too bad. It's strange too, because PC3200 DDR RAM (400mhz) is current technology and should be stocked more than any other type of RAM module.

Makes me think the guys around are getting rid of old stock before re-ordering.   ???

Also, the price of PC3200 and the others has been fairly parrallel, here anyway.



The guy at Best Buy said they weren't going to get it for a while. Anyway, I just found out that the 755-A2 isn't out yet in Canada so I'm going to try for it's older brother the 755-A. It's cheaper and the only difference is that it doesn't support DDR400 which isn't a major problem.
 

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Reply #12 - Apr 30th, 2004 at 1:00pm

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I disagree, I see it as a major problem.

Here you are starting out an upgrade with an inferior mainboard for a start, not to mention a system that could never be tweaked to run "in sync" so it's potential can be reached.

You may as well go for a 32 bit CPU on an nForce2 chipset, at least that way you'll have a cheaper system that is operating effectively.

The more you talk to the sales guy, the more he's messin' with your head.  Sad
 

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Reply #13 - Apr 30th, 2004 at 1:29pm

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Computer sales people really don't know a lot about computer parts and how they work. 

Running an AMD processor in-sync with the RAM is imperitive for optimal performance.

The 64-bit processor will use 2x200 fsb and the RAM will need to be 400MHz in-order them to keep up with each other.  The weakest will slow itself to stay with the other.  Hence the bottleneck.  Bottlenecks are not worth saving a little bit of money on, because when they happen it is very disappointing, it can damage your experience of programs because it is slowing down significantly as they are being pressured by the program.
 

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Reply #14 - Apr 30th, 2004 at 2:02pm

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How do I even know if you guys are telling the truth? You see the thing is, I haven't even been talking to the sales guy. All he said was the 755-A2 is not available here, is there something else you'd like me to price. Don't jump to conclusions. That's rude.  Angry Besides, that board is not my only potential choice. There's one by Gigabyte and one buy Aopen I'm also pricing too that do support the that darn DDR400. Truth be know, I've done RAM speed upgrades in the past and I've noticed no difference in preformance other than my computer boots slightly faster. All this crap where I need this and that before it runs properly. The way people are talking is that 166mhz makes the difference as a bicycle to the space shuttle. To heck with it. I'll just keep my current system.
 

I only pretend to know what I'm talking about. Heck, that's what lawyers, car mechanics, and IT professionals do everyday. Wink&&The Rig: &&AMD Athlon XP2000+ Palomino, ECS K7S5A 3.1, 1GB PC2700 DDR, Geforce FX5200 128mb, SB Live Platinum, 16xDVD, 16x10x40x CDRW, 40/60gb 7200rpm HDD, 325w Power, Windows XP Home SP1, Directx 9.0c with 66.81 Beta gfx drivers
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