Simviation Forum - Learn how fs9 ATC compares to real world

Apr 13^th, 2004 at 8:09pm

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If you are interested in learning a bit more about the relationship between the commercial aviation ATC system in FS2004 and the one that happens in the real world......... try out the combination of the following two links at the same time:

First of all..... load up the following link into your streaming audio media player:

http://audio2.km3t.org:8010/bos_gnd_twr

You can also go here and get this and other airport's live ATC... such as KJFK: http://www.liveatc.net/ ;

That above link will give you streaming live ATC from KBOS...... Logan International in Boston, MA USA. You get ground at 121.9 as well as tower on 128.8 and 119.1. That's a "kick" enough by itself.

But this gets better.........

Then, with that playing, ALSO point the browser to

http://www4.passur.com/bos.html

That link will put a live ATC type (not literal) radar display onto your sreen (very short time delay). Range is switchable from 10 to 60 miles. Terrain / map features are shown. You can click on the moving aircraft and get info like aircraft type, altitude and so on. Inbound/outbound/tranist tracks are shown by color....... which is great for learning about the standard patters flown.

I have a 56 K dial up and it worked pretty well. No stutter in the audio and the radar updates reasonably enough at the same time.

Between the two pages you can get a nice feel for the real world's ATC operations and how pilots are flying their approaches and how they communicate with ATC. Gives you a good feel for what M$ got right in fs2004...... and what they missed too.

I learned a lot just by watching and listening while I was working on something else (off the computer).

I know that I now want the next version of the sim to add wind shear alerts from other pilots when the conditions present themselves in the simulated weather. THAT would be a SNAP piece of coding to add with little in the way of added voice files.

Anyway..... have fun.

best,

......................john

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Reply #1 - Apr 13^th, 2004 at 10:41pm

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Already have them bookmarked...I listened to JFK tower the day the last concorde departed...sad sad sad Embarrassed

But most of you will notice how fast and easy the pilots and controllers communicate - professional to the fingertips

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Reply #2 - Apr 20^th, 2004 at 4:00pm

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Man! This has to be the NEATEST site I´ve ever been to! I can´t express how thankful I am for these jewels! I mean, I have never had the chance to hear an ATC "conversation", much less listen it in practically real time! Once again, thank you a lot!

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Reply #3 - Apr 20^th, 2004 at 6:26pm

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Thanks for passing that on....

I had something similar about 3 years ago but lost it in a crash .. very diverting.

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Reply #4 - Apr 20^th, 2004 at 9:13pm

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francsal and Bazaa.....

Hey... no problem. Glad you enjoyed them. Grin

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...............john

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Reply #5 - Apr 20^th, 2004 at 10:04pm

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The FS series and also VATSIM have really helped me to learn "ATC-speak", I've found. I have those sites bookmarked, and occasionally I'll listen in just to hear some ATC, and I find myself understanding it without too much difficulty. What's also really cool is to have a copy of the approach plates and even the terminal chart for the Boston Ground that broadcasts, so you can follow an aircraft on approach right up to the gate.

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Reply #6 - Apr 21^st, 2004 at 3:32am

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my advice is to listen in the morning. Its not overly busy and one of the controllers is really funny. Used to listen to this one all the time, eventually found something else to divert my attention:) Good link

Edit:http://www.home.zonnet.nl/rdeckert/webcam.html
try that link for amsterdamn webcam of a runway and the ATC the webcam may take a while to load, after a minute or so a box will popup just click yes to install the cameras software

« Last Edit: Apr 21^st, 2004 at 7:10am by Craig. »

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Reply #7 - Apr 21^st, 2004 at 8:38am

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Very cool JBaymore. Thanks for the link. I think I will fire up the sim and just sit near the runway and listen to this link! Wink

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Reply #8 - Apr 21^st, 2004 at 11:52pm

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Dave,

Thanks Grin

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best,

.................john

PS: LIsten in on that stuff when the weather is bad.

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Reply #9 - Apr 25^th, 2004 at 6:51am

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I tried opening the live ATC site but it didn't work, it comes up with the page saying I need to refresh, which I do, but it still doesn't work. Any ideas? ???

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Reply #10 - Apr 25^th, 2004 at 7:23am

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wow thats real neat i always thought atc were strictly proffessional but they do crack a few jokes now and again makes it quite interesting to listen to.

thanx for the link will bookmark that one

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