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Apr 7^th, 2004 at 11:27am

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Hmmm, well, after getting FS2004 last weekend I've been divideing my time between the lessons and trying free flights. Last night I flew from Mount Vernon, WA to KingCo Airport in Seattle, WA. I managed to (sort of) duck walk into the air at Mount Vernon and proceeded south until I caught ATC for Boeing field. I managed to set down on the proper field and even (gasp) on the correct runway. Does this constitute a solo flight? Heh heh!

Now, some questions! When ATC calls out "9:00 at 3400 ft" exactly where am I? How do I get a visual for the field I'm setting down on? How do I get/figure a glide path for the approach? I've got that FS Navigator on the system but can't see any use for it. Any info, please?

Was fun, though, setting down where I said I would! 8)

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Reply #1 - Apr 7^th, 2004 at 11:43am

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I'm a little confused "9:00 at 3400ft" sounds like a traffic call. Anyway when you tune in a towers freq and check in, your comms options then include "directions to airtport" ATC will respond with a clock direction and range. Normally, I don't "see" the airport until I'm within 10nm, except at night, when I can see the rotating beacon from farther away.

I normally start 2nm from the runway at 2000ft. This places me under the glideslope. I maintain 2000 until I intersect it and then start with a 500fpm descent glidepath for jets and 300fpm for props, then use the VASI (Visual Aid Slope Indicator) to adjust the path.

Some may say this isn't "proper" procedures. But it works until you become profiecient enough to follow the rules.

FSNavigator? I don't know, don't use it.

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Reply #2 - Apr 7^th, 2004 at 12:03pm

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I'm a little confused "9:00 at 3400ft" sounds like a traffic call. Anyway when you tune in a towers freq and check in, your comms options then include "directions to airtport" ATC will respond with a clock direction and range. Normally, I don't "see" the airport until I'm within 10nm, except at night, when I can see the rotating beacon from farther away.

I normally start 2nm from the runway at 2000ft. This places me under the glideslope. I maintain 2000 until I intersect it and then start with a 500fpm descent glidepath for jets and 300fpm for props, then use the VASI (Visual Aid Slope Indicator) to adjust the path.

Some may say this isn't "proper" procedures. But it works until you become profiecient enough to follow the rules.

FSNavigator? I don't know, don't use it.

The "9:00 (I think there's some miles indicator s'posed to be here) at 3400ft" is the directions to the airport that ATC gives out. Far's I can tell, this means I'm to the left of the runway? For the other info I'll save it until I really understand what was said. I'm a complete noob at flying and there's lots of acronyms which I am at a loss to understand. Don't have an acronym dictionary. Cheesy

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Reply #3 - Apr 7^th, 2004 at 1:05pm

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If I am understanding your questions correctly, this should help...

The only time ATC provides a ###ft call, that I know of, is during a traffic call. A standard response from ATC to a "direction request" is direction and range.

In any case... If the call was "9:00 at 10 miles" then the airport is on your left at ten miles, Wink

Wink

I know you know this, please keep reading...

Using that example, the relationship between your aircraft and the runway at this point could be anything. If your heading is the same as the runway, your are 10 miles right of the runway. If your heading is 090 and your looking for runway 34 then you are "lined up" for the runway, just heading the wrong direction, and will end up right of the runway.

It only means the airport is left at ten miles, nothing to do with where you are "in relation" to the runway.

What acros do you need/want to know? Specifically at this point. Just a place to start.

Am I helping at all? ??? If not, I'll stop.

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Reply #4 - Apr 7^th, 2004 at 4:45pm

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Hmmm, the msg came because of a dir request by me. So what I'm trying to figger out here is: what do I do with that message? Steer to the right? (Boy, steer. Real techie talk there.)

When I file a flight from Mount Vernon to Seattle, since I know that Seattle is south of Mount Vernon about 60 miles and I do have some idea of what Boeing Field looks like, I'm not flying fully into the "dark" as I am when I fly from, say, Vancouver, B.C. to Portland, OR.

I have found out a little about the GPS since I posted and tried a flight from Seattle to Dawson Creek, B.C. but crashed (didn't know the altitude at/near Dawson Creek). If I have 25,000 airfields in the Sim how do I find out what the field looks like from the air without flying over it? Is there someplace where I can go to look at airfields and what they look like?

Still, you've been a help so far and I thank you for it. I've been having 'bout as much fun as I have had with Auran's Trainz Simulation (TRS2004).

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Reply #5 - Apr 7^th, 2004 at 5:39pm

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I have found out a little about the GPS since I posted and tried a flight from Seattle to Dawson Creek, B.C. but crashed (didn't know the altitude at/near Dawson Creek). If I have 25,000 airfields in the Sim how do I find out what the field looks like from the air without flying over it? Is there someplace where I can go to look at airfields and what they look like?

Still, you've been a help so far and I thank you for it. I've been having 'bout as much fun as I have had with Auran's Trainz Simulation (TRS2004).

Hey deKoven! Welcome to SimV! Well, I have some advice for the GPS question about viewing an aiport before you get there...sorry if it's a little hard to understand, I had trouble myself when I learned to use it Grin

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Anyway...when the GPS window is shown on your screen, look at the bottom right of the GPS and you'll see knobs that says "PUSH CRSR" with two sets of arrows going left and right. Push the top right arrow. The GPS screen should now show a different screen. At the top of this screen you should see a space on top with the word "APT"(airport) next to it. Push the icon "PUSH CRSR" and you should see the space highlight and starts flashing. Then push the lower right arrow. Now type in an airport ID.
EX: KBFI

Now, push the button ENT on your GPS twice and information about the airport you typed in will appear on the GPS screen, showing the name of the airport, city, the elavation, ect. To "see" the airport just click the lower right hand arrow. Hope this helps!

*For more help try going to the learning center in FS2004* Grin

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Reply #6 - Apr 7^th, 2004 at 10:16pm

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Hmmm, the msg came because of a dir request by me. So what I'm trying to figger out here is: what do I do with that message? Steer to the right? (Boy, steer. Real techie talk there.)

When I file a flight from Mount Vernon to Seattle, since I know that Seattle is south of Mount Vernon about 60 miles and I do have some idea of what Boeing Field looks like, I'm not flying fully into the "dark" as I am when I fly from, say, Vancouver, B.C. to Portland, OR.

I have found out a little about the GPS since I posted and tried a flight from Seattle to Dawson Creek, B.C. but crashed (didn't know the altitude at/near Dawson Creek). If I have 25,000 airfields in the Sim how do I find out what the field looks like from the air without flying over it? Is there someplace where I can go to look at airfields and what they look like?

Still, you've been a help so far and I thank you for it. I've been having 'bout as much fun as I have had with Auran's Trainz Simulation (TRS2004).

I see. You asked for the direction to the airport. In that case ATC is telling you that the airport is at your 9:00 meaning that if you were sitting on a clock dial facing the 12 then the airport is directly to your left. It's the same if ATC is warning you of traffic. They will give you the direction as if you were on an imaginary clock. You need to look in the indicated direction and try to see the traffic so you can keep aware of it's position.

This only gives you the general position of the airport. You still need to know which runway you'll be landing on so you'll still need to look it up on either the GPS or the map view but it lets you know where you are in relation to the airport.

In Memory of John Consterdine (FS Tipster)1962-2003

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Reply #7 - Apr 8^th, 2004 at 11:13am

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deKoven,

I didn't mean to "abandon" you, got busy producing a video. I am from the Pacific Northwest as well. Built an airport on Hat Island and commute frequently from there to Arlington to Paine to SeaTac (Virtually of course) Very familier with the area. Did MattNW & Tsunami solve your problem?

I've created a Pilots Handbook. It contains top-down screenshots of my most frequent airports along with freq lists, vectors to other airports/milage, taxiway desigs ...etc. You could do the same.

Joe

PS "Steer" is a correct term.

What do computers and air conditioners have in common?
They both will work perfectly, until you open windows.

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Reply #8 - Apr 8^th, 2004 at 11:39am

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I am from the Pacific Northwest as well.

Me too.

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Reply #9 - Apr 8^th, 2004 at 1:17pm

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deKoven,

I didn't mean to "abandon" you, got busy producing a video. I am from the Pacific Northwest as well. Built an airport on Hat Island and commute frequently from there to Arlington to Paine to SeaTac (Virtually of course) Very familier with the area. Did MattNW & Tsunami solve your problem?

I've created a Pilots Handbook. It contains top-down screenshots of my most frequent airports along with freq lists, vectors to other airports/milage, taxiway desigs ...etc. You could do the same.

Joe

PS "Steer" is a correct term.

Nope, wasn't feeling abandoned atall, atall! I'm not one of those who wants their answer 12 seconds after posting. I can wait; there's lots of things to learn and do without going any further on that subject.

I'm interested in your "Pilots Handbook"; can you tell me more about it? What did you use to create it? Is the Hat Island airstrip available?

I've learned more since I posted the first message and did indeed receive some help here. I also received my first issue of "Computer Pilot Magazine"! Boy, oh boy! It has part one of an article about the GPS system which is more oriented to actual USE rather than a techie talk about what it can do, such as the Learning Center has.

I'm getting a kick and a half out of the money I've spent so far. I really want to get a yoke and pedals for it.

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Reply #10 - Apr 8^th, 2004 at 8:15pm

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I created my handbook using Excel. I use Excel for everything. I had a big data dump a few months back, but check and see if I can find my source files. If I find them, I'll zip them up and post them or send them to you or something.

Joe

ADDITION:

Nope, don't have the files. It took me about three days to create my handbook, If you like, I can go into detail about what I did.

« Last Edit: Apr 9^th, 2004 at 11:08am by Skittles »

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Reply #11 - Apr 9^th, 2004 at 11:19am

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I created my handbook using Excel. I use Excel for everything. I had a big data dump a few months back, but check and see if I can find my source files. If I find them, I'll zip them up and post them or send them to you or something.

Joe

ADDITION:

Nope, don't have the files. It took me about three days to create my handbook, If you like, I can go into detail about what I did.

I LIKE! I'm wondering if TreePad would do for this. If you could let me know what it looks like. What info is in it?

Edit:
In any case... If the call was "9:00 at 10 miles" then the airport is on your left at ten miles, I know you know this, please keep reading...

Using that example, the relationship between your aircraft and the runway at this point could be anything. If your heading is the same as the runway, your are 10 miles right of the runway. If your heading is 090 and your looking for runway 34 then you are "lined up" for the runway, just heading the wrong direction, and will end up right of the runway.

It only means the airport is left at ten miles, nothing to do with where you are "in relation" to the runway.

What is the significance of the runway number? Can you tell from the number what heading that runway is on?

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Reply #12 - Apr 9^th, 2004 at 11:22am

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I'll take some pics of my book tonight and put them on my site for your purusal(sp).

Goto www.anadrac.com/Flight/Index.htm

I'll add a link to open the My Handbook Page. But at this point, I have to construct it. If you don't find anything by 8:00pm PST. Contact me at support@anadrac.com for an update.

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Is the Hat Island airstrip available?

I was using it as a building test. It's not in any condition to package. It is a frame rate killer

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What is the significance of the runway number? Can you tell from the number what heading that runway is on?

Runway 30L is a runway on a heading approx 300. The "L" means there are two runways parrallel and to use the LEFT runway. R is the Right runway and C would be the center runway. I've personnaly never seen an airport with a center runway. Runways 1-9 are 010 to 090

What do computers and air conditioners have in common?
They both will work perfectly, until you open windows.

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Reply #13 - Apr 9^th, 2004 at 12:48pm

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I've personnaly never seen an airport with a center runway. Runways 1-9 are 010 to 090

There are a few airports I've been to that has a center runway. I don't remember the rest but Bankstown Airport in Sydney, Australia has one Grin

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Reply #14 - Apr 9^th, 2004 at 12:59pm

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Cool, sounds redundant, but I've just not been to one. I guess I'll go on a trip! Thanks.

What do computers and air conditioners have in common?
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