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Apr 4th, 2004 at 9:31am

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Hi I'm a new member and I thought I would post some pics of my Mustang sim that I have been building. I'm still wiring it up but hope to take it on a test flight soon.
Contact me if you want any details
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Reply #1 - Apr 4th, 2004 at 12:29pm

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chuckcrc,

Hi and welcome to both SimV and to the "Homebuild Cockpits" forum.  It's nice to have another "active" construction project documented here.  And it's nice to now have a fighter cockpit........ as compared to my commercial type "heavy" approach.  (Now we need someone doing a GA type Cessna or something.)

Nice looking setup you have going there.  I like the canopy idea.  Thanks for sharing the pix.  As it develops.... please keep posting updates here.

I fixed the picture postings today so that they showed in the forum rather than as hyperlinks to the pictures.  The image tags are very sensitive to exactly HOW you do them.  You'll get the hand of it.  If you need help...... send me a private message.

I am interested in the rudder pedals I can see in the second shot.  Are those CH Products pro pedals with some sort of moidification?

Are you going to use a "glass cockpit" setup for the various gauges in the pit?  And are you going to go to projection for the oputside display around the canopy?


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Reply #2 - Apr 4th, 2004 at 1:07pm

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I plan to do a GA 1 or 2 engine 2 seater.  I am planning a modular construction so that parts can be changed depending on the aircraft flown.

It is currently in the wistful daydreaming stage but should be a reality within 24-36 months - I'm taking the long view.

Chuck, That is bloody brilliant!  I hadn't conceived of making it look like the moddled A/C from the outside.

Good luck with it!

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Reply #3 - Apr 5th, 2004 at 5:57am

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Hi Will & John
thanks for your kind comments on the sim.
The pedals you see are the only ones that I found would work with Microsoft digitial joysticks.The links is
http://home.t-online.de/home/d-hofmann/homeeng.htm
These work very well and I am looking at modifying them for toe brakes. On the Hoffman home page they have a new model of pedals that can be fitted with toe brakes.
I use the sim for flying on Combat Flight Sim 1,2&3 and because of the number of aircraft I hadn't planned on fitting instruments, although I might fir an LCD display and use dual view or some thing similiar to display the instrumnet screen on.
I designed the sim so it could be backed onto a desk so that the monitor could be spun around with the front canopy removed so that it could be use for boring non-flying activities. see photos
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Reply #4 - Apr 5th, 2004 at 6:04am

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Hi John
seems I still can't get the images to laod correctly. What am I doing wrong
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PS. when all else fails - read the instructions-- fixed pics
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Reply #5 - Apr 15th, 2004 at 10:07am

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Hi all
there has been a lotr of interest shown in this topic which is great because I wasn't sure if people were interested in WW11 simpits. So I got a few more detailed pics that people may be interested in for building control units like trim/flap of throttle.
cheers
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Reply #6 - Apr 15th, 2004 at 3:19pm

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Chuck,

WOW!  Great pix and great looking pit.  You bet there is interest in this.  Any kind of simpit is of interest here.

I fixed the URL you gave in the message a bit above to make is clickable.  When you post something using the little "insertion buttons"...... it should go between the "tags".   I just moved what you had listed to between the two (URL)  -  (/URL) tags (not using the real square brackets there  Wink.

Are a lot of the control unit boxes made out of metal?  The forming sure looks like it.

I think one detail that you use nicely that makes the realism go up is all those exposed screw heads holding things together.

Any chance at some point you could use a paint program and do some text annotation editing and show what each control and button on a given "box" is for?

The box with all the buttons on the pilot's right hand side....... is that for a lot of the general "sim commands"....or is it mainly aircraft related?

Where did you get the trim wheel?

And thanks for the info on the pedals.  I'll go there and have a look.

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Reply #7 - Apr 15th, 2004 at 5:38pm

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Good to see someone thinks like me!  I was going to do something similar to that, except with a Corsair, but the guages just cost too much. Tongue Interesting to see how this turns out.  Best of luck, Chuck!

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Reply #8 - Apr 17th, 2004 at 5:13pm

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OH MY GOD THAT IS BEUTIFUL!!!

Just curiuos how long did it take to build?
 

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Reply #9 - Apr 17th, 2004 at 5:15pm

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That looks great. How many hours went into it?

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Reply #10 - Apr 21st, 2004 at 8:56am

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NICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
GREAT WORK AND PLEASE KEEP US UP TO SPEED WITH YOUR PROJECT!
WE WANT TO SEE THAT THING FIRED UP!!

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Reply #12 - Apr 21st, 2004 at 4:28pm

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That is a nice tub. My question is, will you stay with that J/S or go HOTAS?
 

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Reply #13 - Apr 23rd, 2004 at 5:26am

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Hi all
thanks for your kind words and support. I will try to answer the questions put to me in this thread.
1.I have tried to use thin sheet metal to cover all the control units and this rivited to the wooded base material. I have used about 600 rivits in all with the outside skin being rivited with countersunk rivits to give a smooth finish.
2. the trim wheel is made out of 13mm MDF and is two layers of wood glued together. I marked it out with a protractor and drill holes every 5 deg around the circumferance to provide the finger grips which I then sanded smooth. See pix.
3. the box on the right is used for 14 toggle functions within the aircraft's operations ie. carb heat, tail hook deploy(used for Hellcat in CFS2), wing fold, pitot heat etc. The other switches (red push buttons, rotary sw) provide a momentary on/off functions for game commands.
4. This project started in May 2001 with me designing the electronics to work with a bashed keyboard )see pix). I then built a rough prototype to test the concept and test the electronics before starting to cut wood for the Mustang pit. There have been long periods of in- activity, 6 months sometimes   because of work committments  (I'm a comms tech and travel extensively) but I suppose Iv'e spent about 600hrs to get to where I'm at now.
5. I don't play to switch to a HOTAS setup although I have bought a PLASMA USB control unit that will allow that as I want to stay within the WW11 type theme.
cheers
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Reply #14 - Apr 24th, 2004 at 12:14pm

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Reply #15 - May 21st, 2004 at 1:24pm

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WOW! That is freaking amazing! I was planning on building a spitfire SimPit but don't have the time Undecided. I already have detailed plans drawn, maybe I'll build it next year.
 

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Reply #16 - May 22nd, 2004 at 8:22am

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Hi Chomp Rock
I originally wanted to build a Spitfire Simpit because everyone always dreams of flying something like that.  But I couldn't work out a way of forming up the   canopy without getting some expensive moulds made. If you have a way to do this cheaply please let me know.
Problems with forming the canopy is the reason I built a P51B, as I could form up the canopy frame out of 3mm strips of aluminium and then bend these around wooden formers that I made. I used 3 sections of 3mm aluminium with the 3mm lexan fitted to the middle section and then rivit all three sections together.

Well good luck with you Spit simpit it will be great to see some one else building a WW2 pit. If you have any questions please mail me.

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Reply #17 - May 24th, 2004 at 9:59pm

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Actually my plans did not include a canopy (it was a projection screen design). I think I may do something more complicated like a C182S cockpit with radios and other controls (like lights and a starter switch) that are home-built. The guages would be of the "glass panel" design and would be visible through ports in the panel. The design will be easy if I choose to do a C182S since I know an owner of one and can easily obtain pictures and measurements of it's panel. I also plan on making it (the cockpit) a two seater and am speculating putting some motion in it like a shaker for when it starts up, touches down and shuts down and some other vibrators of some sort that make it vibrate a little throughout flight like the real thing (both would be easy to turn off in case they get annoying). But, If budget and time present themselves I may even make it a full motion sim!
 

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HOLY FARGLESNOT! Shocked THAT IS BEAUTIFUL!

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Reply #19 - Jun 10th, 2004 at 1:12am

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Hi chuckcrc !

First, looks GREAT! 

The second picture from below brings Corsair cockpit into my mind, or is just my imagination?

In another post you said press the start button to start the engine. Is there a keybutton command in CFS2 for it, or do you use mouse?

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Reply #20 - Jun 10th, 2004 at 6:00am

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Hi Ckur
thanks for your comments , I designed the pit to look like a P51B type cockpit, if that looks similar to an  Corsair  I wouldn't know as I haven't any books on that aircraft type.
The engine start process iIuse in the pit at the moment is a "momentary ON "lever switch that operates the "E" key command thru a relay and a bashed keyboard that I bought for $2.00 AUD from a salvage yard.
What I have planned is to construct a fully working Magneto switch modelled on the Mustang and then have a seperate start push button cover by a protective flip up cover as per the real thing. I plan to use a grey code rotary encoder (as per the trim control ccts - will post seperate topic on this one day!)
Now in CFS2 the "Set Magneto" command has nothing assigned to it. However the Magneto function will work the same as it does in CFS1. That is in CFS1 the key command for "set Mags" is "M". Once you select this the sim software allows you to increase the selection or decrease by using the "="(increase) or "-" decrease)and you have to push the "=" key four times to start the engine ie =(1) is mag1, =2 is mag2, =3 both mags ,=4start engine. In CFS2 the "M" key is for tactical map toggle so just assign an unused key and it should work. The same goes for cowl flaps etc I have assigned unused keys to make these work with my bashed keyboard. One observation I have made is that the sim uses the "=" and "-" sign for generic increase/decrease functions and it seems to be on a time period for how long these functions will remain active for the "M" magneto command function. It seems to time out after a period so it can be used for other functions ie Time compression , zoom in zoom out etc and if you want to set the mags again you have to hit the "M'key again.
I hope this explains it ok and I haven 't confused people with my ramblings.
Keep the questions coming I'm only to glad to help people if I can, these simpits are tricky devils! 
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Reply #21 - Jun 15th, 2004 at 7:01am

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I was wondering, what are the dimensions (roughly) of your cockpit? Height, width etc. ( in metric please) Just to give more idea how big it is.

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Reply #22 - Jun 16th, 2004 at 6:21am

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Hi Ckur
the dimensions of the simpit are 1630mm long, 1440mm high and 740mm wide at the base. The width tapers to 650mm wide at the opening of the canopy. I had the chance to check these dimensions against a real P51D Mustang that is resident at my local light aircraft airport and the simpit is pretty close on the width etc to the real thing. You know for the cost of this simpit I could have gone for a 30mins fly in that Mustang ! It has dual controls and part of the deal is you get to fly the thing!! Don't know if the pilot would let you pull any "split S " turns thou!!
Maybe some day I get a chance to fly in it !!
Are you building a simpit ? What type etc ??
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Reply #23 - Jun 16th, 2004 at 9:56am

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Quote:
Are you building a simpit ? What type etc ??


Hi Chuck

Thanks for the info, the dimensions are quite near of what I have come up with in my project.

I am about to build a F4U cockpit hopefully some time this fall. I have made some sketches/ 3D model about what it will be like. When I get some more done I can post some pictures about it.


Happy landings!  Grin

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Chuck,
The P-51B looks great. You and I are on the same flight path. I am building a P-51B sim similar to yours but with a Malcolm hood, but I have a ways to go. You did a great job.
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Reply #25 - Jul 27th, 2004 at 7:57am

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Hi Gordon
good to hear from another ww2 simpit builder. If there's any info you need for your pit , drop me a line. I will post some pics of the trim panel as soon as I can borrow a digitial camera, these might be of some help.
How are you going to form the Malcom hood ?
What type of control system/interface are you going to use ?
Keep us posted
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Hey Guys,

Just ran across you post and was excited to see someone else building a WW2 pit (everyone seems to be building jets).  I am currently building a (somewhat generic) WW2 US Navy fighter pit.  I decided to do my own design since it was easier than trying to accurately copy a specific historic aircraft.  I will try to get some photos posted soon.

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Professor Fate,

Hi and welcome to SimV.

Yes..... please get some pictures up here in a thread in the forum so folks can see stuff and learn from them.

Welcome to the "homebuild" Forum too.

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Reply #28 - Aug 22nd, 2004 at 9:30am

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Professor Fate
always good to hear from someone else who is building a ww2 pit as there aren't too many out there.
Feel free to ask any questions because thats what this forum is about , sharing of information and ideas.
Good luck with your project and I hope to see some pics soon.
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Reply #29 - Aug 22nd, 2004 at 10:03pm

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Thanks guys.  I am have managed to get some work done on the pit this weekend.  I took some photos but I am having trouble getting them down to under 100K.  Should have that worked out soon.  In the mean time, keep up the good work on the P-51!

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Reply #30 - Aug 27th, 2004 at 6:43am

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Professor Fate
if you are having trouble with the photo size there is a good photo edit software on this site called Infraview which is what I used and it works a treat. You can get your image size down to below 100k but with still good resolution. Most of my pics were high res at 500k when they were taken but using the program I've got them down to about 70k but the res is still good.
Go for it.
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Reply #31 - Oct 29th, 2004 at 5:25pm

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Chuck,

Simply superb!! I'm planning on doing an F6F simpit soon. Can you give me some info on how you constructed the canopy pieces? Thanks!

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Reply #32 - Oct 30th, 2004 at 3:23am
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Reply #33 - Nov 2nd, 2004 at 12:39pm

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Chuck,

Wow... that really looks great.

Say .......... unfortunately that last image is over the 100k limit.... can you resize it please?  I may do that myself if I get a chance shortly if you haven't done it already.  Sorry.

Also... I am guessing that this thread is getting close to the 500 K limit on photos also.  I know that early on I had a couple that I went over on...... but I'm trying to keep things "legal" here.

Maybe can you use this latest image to start a new thread on your pit?  Something like I have done with the "Part X" format or something?

Thanks.

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Reply #34 - Feb 17th, 2005 at 2:49am

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Great project Chuck!

Im starting my own build of a P51-D simpit now and have done som research. I will try to build as many of the controls myself, stick, throttle trim settings and include real working gauges. I think I'll keep my old CH rudder pedals for a while.

Me and a friend is currently designing electronics to interface the gauges. I found some car gauges at a cheap vendor here in Norway, most of these gauges are just voltmeters so they are easy to interface. That'll work for all my single pointer instruments. Also managed to salvage some step motors from printers that I'll use for the rest of the instrumentation.

For the stick, throttle, trim and flaps settings I'm going with this great and free joystick controller design:

http://www.mindaugas.com/projects/MJoy16/

It  provides:
USB interface
8 10bit digital axis
64 push buttons
16 toggle switches
4 rotaries

I'll probably use two of these boards for my setup.

Thought some of this might be of interest.

I also have a question for you

I've got a lot of photographs of the cockpit, controls and instruments but I just can't seem to get any of the dimensions for them, since you've already built a lot of them I wondered if you could provide some of them,
in particular interest as of now is the "throttle box" lenght of arms and knobs on the throttle and the size of the trim wheels, flap lever and seating.

Any other interior measurements you've got would also be greatly appreciated also.

I'll probably set up a web site with pictures of my progress as I get something done....

Please excuse my bad English.

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