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Mar 29th, 2004 at 1:04pm

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hi all, i was just wondering if any would mind if they made a video (cockpit view) of an IFR because i can never do it. i have read the forums over and over again but i cant do it. so if ne1 wud b kind enuf to make a video i wud b very grateful!

thnxs muz
 
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Reply #1 - Mar 29th, 2004 at 4:12pm

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Hello muz24
What do you mean by a ideo of IFR? Do you mean a vide of a flight while flying IFR or what? IFR means INSTRUMENT FLYING RULES . I know that the money has a IFR panel . Is that what you are talking about.  ??????
 
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Reply #2 - Mar 29th, 2004 at 4:14pm

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Try going through the instrument lessons AFTER going through the PPL lessons Wink
 
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Reply #3 - Mar 29th, 2004 at 7:29pm

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Yeah he means the checkeride.

Isnt that the one thats bugged-out?

 
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Reply #4 - Mar 30th, 2004 at 2:15pm

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You have to be able to fly VFR before you can understand IFR.  Meaning learning how to use the VORs, NDBs, ILS approaches, etc.  It might be worth while to practice the lessons, and keep researching and reading.  If you have a particular question about flying IFR we would be more than happy to help.  A particular question might be, how do I navigate from one VOR to another? Or how do I intercept the localizer for the ILS approach?  Or what is a localizer, what is an ILS?

You have plenty of real world pilots and enthusiasts that are here to pass on their knowledge to you. Grin
 

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Reply #5 - Mar 31st, 2004 at 6:33am

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i mean a ILS approach, sorry. i can never do it and it is very annoying. tht is wot i wanted the video of. a ILS approach in a cockpit view just to see what i am doin wrong.

           thnxs muz

 
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Reply #6 - Mar 31st, 2004 at 8:51am

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one suggestion I would make is to turn on the visual landing aide. This will put rectangles circles telephonepoles or a road in the sky that you can follow right to the runway. You will need your nav1 tuned to the ILS freq. and to set the course or OBS to the correct heading of the runway in order for this to work. You can find out what these are by going to mapview and clicking on the airport you are landing at. scroll down untill you see the runway you will be landing at and it will tell you the Freq and the heading of the ILS.
  I would say that you are either coming in to fast or to slow, and you need the flaps set to at least 10 degrees to help keep you airborne at the slower speeds.
  You have to watch your airspeed and angle of attack.
 
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Reply #7 - Mar 31st, 2004 at 6:56pm

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Everyone's right of course; your best course is to go through the Learning Center. The Instrument rating is one of the most difficult a private pilot can obtain. (I haven't yet - not likely to happen in the near future either.)
Still; what you suggest poses a challenge. As already stated; I'm no instrument pilot, but I'll give the video a shot; let's see how accurately I can fly my home airport blind.
(I actually did this in the flight school's simulator a while back out of curiosity - was able to take off; fly to the airport, enter the circuit and turn final; then everything wnet to worms. LOL - more practice neeed. Wink At least FS9 don't cost $35 an hour.)
 

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Reply #8 - Apr 1st, 2004 at 12:06am

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Where are you getting an Instrument ticket for $35?  I wish mine cost that much.
 
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Reply #9 - Apr 1st, 2004 at 12:09am

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No crud! Im spending $100+ an hour, where are you getting that deal!? CAP?
 

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Reply #10 - Apr 1st, 2004 at 7:43am

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LOL - no; that's not for instrument flight time - that's how much to rent the on-site simulator for an hour. Instrument flight instruction is $120/hr. Smiley
 

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Reply #11 - Apr 1st, 2004 at 10:46am

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Thus proving it's cheaper to learn in the States.  My local airport flying school (EGSH) wants £120 per hour which is approximately $175 for my PPL.

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Reply #12 - Apr 1st, 2004 at 10:54am

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Better start saving your money Will Grin

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Reply #13 - Apr 1st, 2004 at 11:11am

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Grr at Andrew LOL.

Best of luck to you mate.  One day when I'm rich I'll come out there for a month.... Roll Eyes
 

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Reply #14 - Apr 1st, 2004 at 11:23am

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MUZ24,

   Did you get the info you need to land ILS, or are you still having problems.

   A little story... I was having the hardest time understanding VOR, NDB, course in/out, back course etc.  One time while flying to Oregon to visit my kid, I was in an 18 seater and sat right behind the pilots. After we got up to cruise alt, I asked if they could tell me how all the radio navigation worked. For the next 30 min, they explained everything.  When I got back home to try it, I could navigate expertly through VORs, NDBs, and land ILS. I still have problems with holding patterns though, I'm to impaitient.

   So from one learner to another, if you need more help, I can try. Can't make a video, but I can put together some screen shots.

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Reply #15 - Apr 1st, 2004 at 3:04pm

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Thus proving it's cheaper to learn in the States.  
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Perhaps; I wouldn't know - I'm Canadian. Wink

Actually it is true - Canada has some of the best rates worldwide for flight training; from beginning in gliders right up to commercial rating - it's why so many pilots around the world train in Canada. That and the extremely high quality of instruction; of course. Smiley


 

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Reply #16 - Apr 1st, 2004 at 7:09pm

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Muz24:
OK; as requested I've made a video of an IFR flight and landing. It's a bit longish; about 14 minutes so even after zipping it's about 2.5Mb!
In the video; I covered entry into the circuit, then a proper circuit and landing. Upside: You see what the ILS looks like during a good approach; and how to handle your craft to do a good zero-visibility landing. (IOW; trimming out and using throttle, not elevators to control the descent.) Downside: none of the moves I made - i.e. using VOR2 to set up the circuit, dropping the flaps, etc. - actually happen in the video (flaps stay up the whole way) so you can't see that; damnit.
Hee hee - you also see a rather serpentine base leg as I was arguing with the tower; it's real easy to get overloaded and miss something on an IFR approach. Grin
Even still; if you want to see what a half-decent approach looks like; I can send it to you; or I can try making a shorter one by ignoring the entry and just starting the video when I roll onto final - your choice. Smiley
The flight was made in a 172; the only aircraft in FS9 I'm real comfortable with handling; from Stratford to Kitchener, Ont.
 

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Reply #17 - Apr 2nd, 2004 at 7:06pm

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You didn't mention which plane you are flying but if it's the Cessna then you simply follow the needles for an ILS approach. In general you want about a 500 foot per minute descent. Look at the VOR guage with the two needles and keep them crossed in the middle. If they aren't centered then fly toward the needle. For example if the vertical needle is tending toward the right side of the guage then you need to correct to the right. If the horizontal needle is above the center then you want to slow down your descent. Dont't climb just go from say 500 ft. min. to 400 until you fly back into the correct glide path.

 

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Reply #18 - Apr 3rd, 2004 at 5:25pm

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Staiduk,

    Did you send it directly to MUZ24.  I'd love to see it!

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