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Mar 28th, 2004 at 7:45am

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hello all i am ace. im new to fs2004 but i have played on IBS (Intergrated Battle Space). I am new to fs2004 and im having some trouble with landing........

I start by filing a flight plan from Heathrow (EGLL) to Charles De Gualle.

Once I am over the skies of France ready to land. ATC tell me to descend to 2000ft and stay on this alltitude and heading until established on localizer. So I wait and wait but i never seem to be established on localizer. Please can someone help me. Or is there a option where ATC line you up with the runway automatically? Any help and i will be very greatful Smiley Ty for help
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Reply #1 - Mar 28th, 2004 at 8:16am

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Hi there ace !

Do you know how to tune nav1 and use the ILS system in FS04 ?

ATC will guide you to within 30 degrees ( I think ) of the ILS beam.
If there isnt one then ATC will guide you exactly onto the runway.

There is also the option of asking for airport direction if you feel lost.

 
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Reply #2 - Mar 28th, 2004 at 8:22am

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I have never learnt how to do the ILS and localizer stuff either - I guess its time I learnt! Is there a guide for this? (back to the FS flying lessons!)
 
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Reply #3 - Mar 28th, 2004 at 8:26am

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Yeah back to school you go!  Wink

ILS is very easy, and can help you make a beautiful landing in any weather.

It is explained very well in the FS lessons and the help center thingy.

 
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Reply #4 - Mar 28th, 2004 at 8:26am

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Hi Ace!
I've got to do a bit of guesswork; not sure from your post if a) you know what a localizer is or b) you know what a localizer is and can't get it. I'll assume A); 'cause I can't help you otherwise.
The Localizer is part of the ILS, or Instrument Landing System. The ILS is two 'beams' being broadcast from the end of the runway; one horizontal (the Glideslope), and one vertical (the Localizer).
What you have to do is before taking off; look at the map and find the ILS frequency of the runway you'll be landing at. (If you don't know; write 'em all down.)
As you're getting close to Charles de Gaulle; you'll have set your second VOR to the airport's frequency and your first VOR to the runway ILS. As ATC directs you to a point several miles off the end of the runway; he'll tell you fly heading 'until established on the localizer'. By that time; the ILS will have come to life; showing you two indicators - the one going left-right is the localizer. When that indicator moves to the middle of the ILS, you turn towards the runway. You are now established on the localizer - in other words; you're heading directly toward the end of the runway.
There's a bit more to it than that; but I hope that's enough to help. Smiley
 

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Reply #5 - Mar 28th, 2004 at 8:30am

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And a something that often happens to the best of virtual pilots is forgetting to swap the frequencies after you have set it correctly, and then to press the nav1 button to activate it.

 
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Reply #6 - Mar 28th, 2004 at 8:40am

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Thank-you all for your help !   Smiley I ask now. Is there an option where ATC automatically line you up with the runaway ?? I'm a Newbie lol. Once again thank-you for everyone who helped me !

     ur friend ace
P.S why can i not see all the posts made. Like the one that Staiduk sent. But when i go to the post reply page its there and not on the main page ? any help plz ? lol Smiley
 

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Reply #7 - Mar 28th, 2004 at 8:45am

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There is no way for you to choose, but ATC will guide you to the runway if the airport does not have an ILS.

If it does, ATC will only guide you to the ILS beam and not the runway itself.

( I can see staiduk's post while replying )

 
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Reply #8 - Mar 28th, 2004 at 8:48am

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Hi ACE...

Are You flying GPS? If so, (having tuned to the ILS freq. and now following ATC instructions),  make sure to switch the Nav/GPS selector back to Nav or your VOR1 is still 'homing' on the GPS waypoint.

Cheers,
Dave

Been there, done that Smiley
 

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Reply #9 - Mar 28th, 2004 at 8:56am

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Sorry Bro I dont understand all this VOR1 stuff can you teach me please ??  ???
 

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Reply #10 - Mar 28th, 2004 at 9:06am

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Well I think it would be worth to pay a visit to the learning center or the lessons in FS04.
It really does get you up-to-date on all the navigation, and is very important stuff when it comes to flying.

Its hard to explain everything in a forum, especially since the learning center has some great pictures.

But if anyone has the energy to explain all this, then I salute them.  8)

 
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Reply #11 - Mar 28th, 2004 at 4:06pm

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rgr that bro i will pay a visit to the learning center. is COM1 same as VOR1. And is COM2 same as VOR2
 

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Reply #12 - Mar 28th, 2004 at 4:41pm

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No; sorry - COM are your Communication radios. NAV are your Navigation recievers. Smiley
 

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Reply #13 - Mar 28th, 2004 at 10:53pm

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Your VOR2 gauge (VOR) will get you to the airport from a
distance of about 180 nm. It will not lline u up with
the rwy heading. Your Vor1 gauge (ILS) is the one which will line u up with the rwy from a distance of aprox 27 nm.
To be realistic go to the fs9 map prior to takeoff and find your destination. Write down all the info.
Load the VOR2 info given into your VOR2 nav system.
Load the VOR1 info given into your VOR1 nav system and
adjust the COURSE hdg on your Autopilot to agree with
the chosen runway heading. When u pick up NAV2 at
about 180nm adjust your hdg to port or starboard to
roughly guarantee that when you get closer you'll be
roughly lined up with the rwy.  At 27nm u'll pick up the
ILS signal. You can fly the plane in manually by watching
the OBS1 gauge and making constant corrections or
much easier, on your autopilot switch off altitude and
indicated air speed and switch from HDG to APP. This
way your place will fly straight in and you can finish
your beer with only altitude to worry about. Shut down
the AP completly at 1 or 2 nms from the rwy.
Cheers / NEK
 
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Reply #14 - Mar 29th, 2004 at 3:51pm

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Dear Ace:

This is what you need to do to be established on the localizer:

1.  Locate the localizer frequency by inputing the Nav1
    frequency (dme) for the specific runway; and if  
    possible, locate the Vor frequency for the Airport
     and input it into the Nav2 frequency.

Example:  For JFK - John F. Kennedy International, I would input in Nav1:  111.350. This is the frequency for runway 31-L.  Also, set the course to 315 degrees at the time you are instructed to begin your first approach.

Input in Nav2 Kennedy's Vor Frequency:  115.90.

For you to be fully established on the localizer do all of the above and at 20 miles from the Airport, you should also swith from GPS to NAV.

PS:  You should really try and get your Pilot license before flying commercial, this will help you allot.

Peace, and I hope the above information will help you.
 
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Reply #15 - Mar 29th, 2004 at 7:39pm

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The localizer is sensitive; check out those green feathers on the map, which represent the area your instrument will register. Outside that zone the needle will be full over right or left and you will have no idea how much right or left you need to go. To learn this you need VOR 2 (or ADF, if you are landing at KCMH).
When an airport has a regular VOR you can tell what angle you are from that station(they like to place them at the ends of runways), and if you keep the needle at nine o'clock you can fly a circle till you reach your approach heading. Since you already know the direction of the runway (runway number times 10), you can tell when you are ABOUT to intersect the localizer and start your turn to final BEFORE THE NEEDLE STARTS TO MOVE so you won't overshoot it too badly. You want to do this at least ten miles out, at an altitude less than the glideslope and greater than the ground. If you are in a jet give it twenty miles; you can't even see the airport at that distance but jets turn slow, and even prop planes have a tough time catching the localizer if they have more than 45 degrees to turn once the needle starts to move. This is why we have two radios: you can't find the localizer without NAV 2 or ADF, unless you can actually see the airport, and then you are too damned close to fly the pattern unless you are Captain Eddy or something.
If this is too much for you, you can use the GPS to locate the localizer: just aim for the end of the feather and when you reach it turn most of the way towards it and wait for the needle to move.
Adjust the heading knob so the red indicator points towards your approach heading; it helps to have something concrete to look at; and remember to press D to adjust your heading gyro. Turn off the wind the first few times you try this, and put in a lot of fog so you won't be distracted by actually seeing something.
 
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Reply #16 - Mar 30th, 2004 at 12:19pm

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Hello Ace:
  I would strongly advise you to head over to the learning center and start taking lessons. I suggest you start with the basics and not jump straight into the ILS or Navigation lessons. Wait until you have mastered flying the beggining lessons first. Then take the next step. It might take a while but it will be worth the effort because in the end you will have a full understanding of flying.
   After all this is the way you would do it in the real world. I can almost gaurantee that you could not find any one in there right mind to take you up and teach you IFR flight with out you having at least soloed first.
I am not sure but i think you have to have a pilot ticket first.  And that takes at least 40 hours of flight before a FAA guy will even think about testing you.
 
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