Simviation Forum - Re: PMDG 737 BMI, usually 40$ But 0$ this time!

Mar 27^th, 2004 at 5:00am

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Duh

Ofcourse i was joking! That would be totaly illegal if i sent it to other people Tongue

BTW, i'm replying in a second topic, since certain people locked the other one Roll Eyes

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Reply #1 - Mar 27^th, 2004 at 6:27am

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Pretty moronic to even start a thread like that.
I know some of the PMDG beta team, and how much time and EFFORT they've put into that aircraft.
It's a damn shame to see how guys like you behave.

But I guess you'd be pretty happy if some people started to distribute your own copyrighted software, which you've spent over 1 year to develop?

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Reply #2 - Mar 28^th, 2004 at 1:36am

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Nope, I doubt he is joking... Undecided

Would he actually say he was serious about getting it for free after he got yelled at? I doubt it...

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Reply #3 - Mar 29^th, 2004 at 6:07am

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Firstly, yes.

I did get it for free and did fly it on my very PC.

But, i'm not distributing it Tongue

Cuz, even if i was, the .rar file is 62 mb, and i don't feel like sending such a huge file.

Secondly,

Sorry,

But humor me, i'm a kid Tongue

Anyway, i wanted that bird for my B-day, but RAM was like 90$, so my dad didn't get it. I wanted to get my hands on it any way i could, so i asked a friend.

Sorry

Anyone know of an quality addons around 20$ ?

I have 23$, and i want to know of a good addon i can spend it on.

Mike

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Reply #4 - Mar 29^th, 2004 at 8:51am

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BTW, i'm replying in a second topic, since certain people locked the other one

Mike, the shots were deleted and locked because Simviation does not support piracy...period!
No hard feelings but why would you question what I did?

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Reply #5 - Mar 29^th, 2004 at 10:03am

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I understand that SimV doesn't support piracy, but i've got to clue you in on that fact that almost everything you buy in turkey ( as in software, etc. ) is pirated.

My copy of FS2004, i got it at the market for 1$

Mike

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Reply #6 - Mar 29^th, 2004 at 11:21am

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What does being in Turkey have to do with piracy? What does being a kid have to do with Piracy? So if I am a kid in Turkey, I can feel free to rip off anything I want! Where was that information when I was 13...? Grin

Then I will assume that you are running a pirated copy of FS9, on a pirated copy of Windows, on a stolen computer system, as long as you are living in Turkey. If you leave Turkey, then you will be breaking the international laws of copyrights.

It may maybe a cultural differnce, but if you want something in life, you have got to work for it. I am sorry your role models did not teach you that. I would think we would all agree that

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Reply #7 - Mar 29^th, 2004 at 10:03pm

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What does being in Turkey have to do with piracy? What does being a kid have to do with Piracy? So if I am a kid in Turkey, I can feel free to rip off anything I want! Where was that information when I was 13...? Grin

Then I will assume that you are running a pirated copy of FS9, on a pirated copy of Windows, on a stolen computer system, as long as you are living in Turkey. If you leave Turkey, then you will be breaking the international laws of copyrights.

It may maybe a cultural differnce, but if you want something in life, you have got to work for it. I am sorry your role models did not teach you that. I would think we would all agree that

Here Here. And yes, working sucks, but hey, you have to do it if you want to earn a living.

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Reply #8 - Mar 30^th, 2004 at 10:31am

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Here Here. And yes, working sucks, but hey, you have to do it if you want to earn a living.

you said it Jesster. working sucks Angry

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Reply #9 - Mar 30^th, 2004 at 8:51pm

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Hello,

Mike, the person who sent you the CD was denso right ? I am not sure if he is denso on the SimV forums but I am thinking that this is him. Plagiarizing and illegal copying can lead to serious consequences. If PMDG was a corporation, going to court is a possibility. Thanks.

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Reply #10 - Mar 31^st, 2004 at 9:12am

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James,

First of all, who's Denso?

Secondly, if those dudes wanted to take me to court they couldn't. This is the internet dude! Plus laws where i live don't restrict or support piracy Tongue

So, in that case that is a total UN-possibility Tongue

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Reply #11 - Mar 31^st, 2004 at 3:25pm

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James,

First of all, who's Denso?

Secondly, if those dudes wanted to take me to court they couldn't. This is the internet dude! Plus laws where i live don't restrict or support piracy Tongue

So, in that case that is a total UN-possibility Tongue

I really beg to differ............. Roll Eyes

What I'm trying to say is, why don't you let your parents buy payware for you? That's the way I do it. I show my parents what I want and they get it for me. No muss, no fuss.

Secondly, WHY would you even post such a thread? This never would've happened if you hadn't informed us of this. No one would've known. No truoble.

Now........ Roll Eyes

Good luck. You'll need it.

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Reply #12 - Mar 31^st, 2004 at 4:40pm

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James,

First of all, who's Denso?

Secondly, if those dudes wanted to take me to court they couldn't. This is the internet dude! Plus laws where i live don't restrict or support piracy Tongue

So, in that case that is a total UN-possibility Tongue

Now this is just hilarious!
I'm laughin all my way to PMDG's website to tell about you.

Have fun!

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Reply #13 - Mar 31^st, 2004 at 6:06pm

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Cmon guys calm down a little.

Are you saying you have never done anything illegal in your life. Have you never even had a CD copied for you? It is the exact same thing.

Yes people put such work into projects but I have sold projects before and I know people that got them for "free" by some other source. It doesn't bother me that much.

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Reply #14 - Mar 31^st, 2004 at 7:49pm

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Actually no, I never "even" have had a CD copied for me. To do so would be to knowingly steal something.

A little while back in this thread I was thinking of posting something that said "hey lighten up..... I understand from one of the other Mods that Mike's just a kid and he's hopefully learned something from this." I held off to see where it was all going.....and then got busy.

But unfortunately from his recent response above ......... ("Secondly, if those dudes wanted to take me to court they couldn't. This is the internet dude! Plus laws where i live don't restrict or support piracy
") ...... it is pretty clear that not only has he not learned anything from this, but he is actually pretty unrepentant about his "little" faus pas.

It appears that this little crime is being rationalized here by him effectively saying:

-I am in a location that is rife with criminal activity
-everyone here does this stuff
-it is OK to commit crime because it is the internet
-I wanted it but no one would buy it for me so I just took it
-your laws can't reach me here cause I am in a "safe haven" for this kind of crime
-I won't commit a further crime by distributing it not because it is wrong.....but because it is a pain in the butt to do that

All in all....... not a very nice picture.

Mike, I'd like to suggest here that you take that $23 you have....... find yourself a job to raise the rest you need.... and then take the money and go and BUY the item you have already stolen from PMDG. Then you'll have a legal copy of the software, and will in a weird way make some restitution to them for the theft of intelectual property. It might make your conscience feel better too.

I hope.

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Reply #15 - Mar 31^st, 2004 at 7:54pm

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Hey guys, why not lay off this a little. Remember this "He that is without sin among you, let him cast the first stone." (John 8:7) You've obviously got your point accross to the extent that Mike is leaving. If thats not what you wanted-then just stop this.

If that was your intention, then by all means continue.

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Reply #16 - Mar 31^st, 2004 at 9:08pm

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Hey guys, why not lay off this a little. Remember this "He that is without sin among you, let him cast the first stone." (John 8:7) You've obviously got your point accross to the extent that Mike is leaving. If thats not what you wanted-then just stop this.

If that was your intention, then by all means continue.

True, but what I want to know is: WHY he even told us this? ???

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Reply #17 - Mar 31^st, 2004 at 9:36pm

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True, but what I want to know is: WHY he even told us this? ???

Probably just to show what he's got. The same reason Ozzy flies airliners under bridges and I spin the tires on my car. Because we can. Wink

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Reply #18 - Mar 31^st, 2004 at 9:49pm

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Probably just to show what he's got. The same reason Ozzy flies airliners under bridges and I spin the tires on my car. Because we can. Wink

Now, why didn't I think of that? Still, IMO telling us this was a bad move on your part, Mike. My advice, live and let die. Don't ever pull another stunt like this again. It could lead to serious consequences. Roll Eyes

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Reply #19 - Mar 31^st, 2004 at 10:06pm

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Yeah, why would you even think about proclaiming your guilt? It's like walking out of a jewelry store with a stolen diamond ring, getting up on a trash bin, and showing off your recent theft to the public. Then when the police come your defence is "Oh, I'm a kid" or "Oh I can do this where I come from". It's not extraterritoriality here.

Just silly of you... Undecided

P.S. Who is gonna warn the Avsim guys...they are probably gonna be even more pissed than us if they find out. Shocked

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Reply #20 - Mar 31^st, 2004 at 10:23pm

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I also don't think he thought what he did was illegal at first. I think he just thought since someone paid for it, it was OK. So, he wanted to tell everyone about it. I doubt if he knew that it was a serious issue he would have came right out and said it (he might not have even done it). I think it's a matter of doing something without knowning the consiquences.

Can anyone say they've never done something and later found out it was wrong? I can't.

Plus, this is how we learn about things. We make a mistake and learn from it. I just think you guys are being too hard on him.

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Reply #21 - Apr 1^st, 2004 at 7:34pm

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pmdg should have a mad hacker nut who hacks into comps that have their software on it without paying and delete it and mess around with the registry or something... just a thought lol but damn that would be ilegal also !

geez guys liven up...it was obvious he was never gonna buy it anyways so in a way its not a loss of profit...if he was distributing it to a large number of potential customers then yeah that is pretty bad and he may even piss off a few existing customers saying he has it but at end of the day they know they bought it ligit so they can sleep at night Cheesy

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Reply #22 - Apr 2^nd, 2004 at 8:53am

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I am not even going to read such an indignant long winded reply Cheesy

I'm just saying that if someone has a copied Aerosmith CD and he offers to lend it to me I am not going to shout at him for 3 hours. Tongue

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Reply #23 - Apr 14^th, 2004 at 1:00pm

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People come down a little. I think you all are over reacting. I'm surprised that some of you never committed a computer crime. I mean its unavoildble. I'm not saying delibrate priating is right, but that kid is from Trukey, where people make $1.25 an hour, sry Mike didn't mean to put down your country, how do you expect some one like that to be able to afford a cope of FS 2004, which costs $60 from where I come from.

Oh yeah, Mike, if you pirate anything else just keep it to yourself.

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Reply #24 - Apr 14^th, 2004 at 1:33pm

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Thanks dude

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Reply #25 - Apr 14^th, 2004 at 1:35pm

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He's actually american... Roll Eyes

And what's wrong about the fact that his friend send it to him via E-Mail? Why buying it yourself if your friend has it and can give it to you for free?
Alright,it's illegal,but who f*ckin' cares about that if no one knows?
Telling us how he got that plane was Mikes only mistake imho. Roll Eyes

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Reply #26 - Apr 14^th, 2004 at 6:14pm

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Glad to see someone else stund up for Mike as well

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Reply #27 - Apr 14^th, 2004 at 7:06pm

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I still have a hard time to accept somebody who basically steals the work of some pretty darned good programmers, and then have the nerve to post it on a public forum Angry

Yes I'm against file swapping, I'm against warez in general, call me a moral-geek or whatever. It's so unfair to the developers of software....

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Reply #28 - Apr 16^th, 2004 at 5:08pm

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For the 57393th time: Mike is american! He only lives in Turkey,because his parents have a job there (embassy or whatever).

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Reply #29 - Apr 16^th, 2004 at 6:12pm

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Pete, relax abit Wink

I know people copy software to left and right - but what Mike has done (posted on the forum) can hurt this whole site.
I don't care what you and others have on their hardware - however I do CARE when people are posting it on public forum, which can get Pete and the site in trouble.

I'm not saying you or any other here a bad person - we have different point of views and I respect you for that, but I don't agree with it

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Reply #30 - Apr 16^th, 2004 at 6:41pm

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Fair enough Grin

I hope Mike gets the point of all this Roll Eyes

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Reply #31 - Apr 16^th, 2004 at 6:51pm

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Agree Pete!
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Reply #32 - Apr 18^th, 2004 at 10:19am

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Well Nexus, i don't agree with you either completely, i still think what i did was ok, and nobody can convince me otherwise, but.......

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Reply #33 - Apr 18^th, 2004 at 1:19pm

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Rite morons everyone has pireted stuff on their computer, I can GARENTEE it. Wether you have downloaded it as freeware un noanly but YOU will have it. I bet a search of everyones hard drive could prope this. Leave the lad alone. Havent you got better things to be doing. I know that i have. And ooooo * am going to tell PMDG what he has done* pathetic. Grow up!!

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Reply #34 - Apr 18^th, 2004 at 1:33pm

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Rite morons everyone has pireted stuff on their computer, I can GARENTEE it. Wether you have downloaded it as freeware un noanly but YOU will have it. I bet a search of everyones hard drive could prope this. Leave the lad alone. Havent you got better things to be doing. I know that i have. And ooooo * am going to tell PMDG what he has done* pathetic. Grow up!!

Iain

ohhhh, morons?
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Like I said earlier, I'm doing what I think it's right. If you don't have the money, you should not be able to have it. That's how society works, end of discussion. but what concerns me more: Talking warez on a forum were PETE is the RESPONSIBLE OWNER is flat out dumb.

So Brittania, before you spit out your words of wisdom next time, please take a moment and think of the consequences for Pete and SimV.

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Reply #35 - Apr 18^th, 2004 at 1:38pm

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Well Nexus, i don't agree with you either completely, i still think what i did was ok, and nobody can convince me otherwise, but.......

Geeeezzzzeeee Mike. I wasn't going to get into this once again. I THOUGHT it had "died" and I though you might have learned something out of the "go around" on this subject about casual theft of intelectual property. Obviously not.

For crimes, being a kid does get you out of stuff like a jail cell, but not out of a juvenile detention center. But being a kid does not excuse you from issues of "right" and "wrong". Getting away with it does not mean you are right. That others do it too does not make it right either.

Such behavior and particularly the clear lack of contrition says a lot about your sense of morals.

Guess I stand by my March 31st post in this thread. Except for the conscience comment. I am beginning to think that you don't have one.

Do your parents condone this behavior?

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Reply #36 - Apr 18^th, 2004 at 1:41pm

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Umm, i'm not sure who's side i'm on, cuz i already "made up" with nexus.

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Reply #37 - Apr 18^th, 2004 at 1:45pm

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What would you buy if you were going to buy it of the same person;

Microsoft office (compleate version) £6
Microsoft office (compleate version) £165I know what one i would have.

Its stoopid paying out all that money when you get the same for a fraction of the price.

And as for PETE why doesent he just delete this topic? no more said!!

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Reply #38 - Apr 18^th, 2004 at 1:47pm

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Rite morons everyone has pireted stuff on their computer, I can GARENTEE it. Wether you have downloaded it as freeware un noanly but YOU will have it. I bet a search of everyones hard drive could prope this. Leave the lad alone. Havent you got better things to be doing. I know that i have. And ooooo * am going to tell PMDG what he has done* pathetic. Grow up!!

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Reply #39 - Apr 18^th, 2004 at 1:55pm

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YEP but i dident put one did I.

Plus i am serious getting piss with some of the members of this forum.

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Reply #40 - Apr 18^th, 2004 at 2:37pm

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OK EVERYBODY SHUT UP!

Everybody makes mistakes, and if Mike is hard headed then let him be.

Lets all forget about the existance of this thread and stop posing replies.

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Reply #41 - Apr 18^th, 2004 at 2:54pm

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I just can't stand aside in an intense debate like this. I love debating.

I agree that piracy is absolutely wrong. I also think that speeding is wrong. If you are driving down the freeway and some reckless idiot speeds past you, you might utter some naughty words and flash the birdie at him, but most of us wouldn't roll down the window and lecture him about why he shouldn't speed. We would just hope that the state trooper in the area set up a speed trap down the road. Perhaps that is the best thing to do in this situation. Just hope (or don't hope) the appropriate authorities discover this. Just as you can't stop everyone from speeding, you can't stop everyone from pirating (is the verb form?). One my check out www.download.com and look under the "Most Popular" column. You will see that Kazaa is #1 on the list, with well over a million downloads. Can't stop a million people from getting free music, among other things. I used to use Kazaa, until I decided that those musicians put alot of effort into their songs and that should be respected. As long as we're on the music part, here's a quote from the Beatles: When I find myself in times of trouble, Mother Mary comes to me, speaking words of wisdom Let it be.

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Reply #42 - Apr 18^th, 2004 at 2:57pm

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OH! Sorry Storm! I had been working on that post for a while (switching between that and flying). I started before you posted that. I'm sorry. I stop now Lips Sealed

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Reply #43 - Apr 18^th, 2004 at 6:06pm

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My god lol I thought this was sorted Tongue

As Mike said whether or not yuor opinion differs your not going to change it Wink

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Reply #44 - Apr 19^th, 2004 at 12:21am

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This has gone on way too long, can't exactly stop him from doing it again, so stop bringin it up (britannia, we had a silence period there for a while)

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Reply #45 - Apr 20^th, 2004 at 9:59am

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*proud supporter of the FS payware industry*

Hmmm I think I have seven payware aircraft now, if not more. Someone once told me when you get your first payware it becomes an addiction. Kind of like getting my first tattoo.

I also proudly support the payware industry, and contribute my money when I find something that fits my needs. They work hard, and create works of art (most payware companies anyway) that I am thankful for.

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Reply #46 - Apr 20^th, 2004 at 11:53am

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This thread is like an Energizer Bunny! It just keeps on going and going and going and going...... Grin

Payware is like a Tattoo or Crack... but not as dangerous. This flight sim stuff becomes very addicting.... Grin

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Reply #47 - Apr 21^st, 2004 at 11:59am

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Turkey is the land of the fake Rolex, fake CK jeans, and fake Lacoste shirts. Anyone from Holland that goes there knows that

If you want your holyday messed up, go there, buy these clothes and act like a clown when passing through customs... you end up paying more for that Turkey visit than for the same time and luxury in Spain, and lose all the cheap stuff you bought there...

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Reply #48 - Apr 21^st, 2004 at 4:53pm

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Please LET THIS TOPIC DIE!

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