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Best way to start - with or without an engine? (Read 245 times)
Mar 24th, 2004 at 9:13am

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'Lo all!
Here's one I'd like to throw out to the group: How many people here think it's better for a rank beginner to start by getting his glider lisence first; then graduating to power?
I started as a glider pilot; a dumb 16-year-old they somehow had the insanely poor judgement to trust with a 2-33 in the Air Cadet Glider Scholarship program. The 2-33's about the biggest pig in the air; but back then, whoa boy; we're talkin' way-cool-time here! Grin
Somewhat inevitably; I went on to get my light-aircraft lisence; and over the years I've noticed differences in the way I fly and look at flying and the rookies I see going up today. Both good and bad, of course; hence the question.
First; landings. Although it's not taught this way; students learn by the instructors' reactions to dread the deadstick. A no-power landing - one chance to get it right - oh, no! Far as I'm concerned; no big deal. Well - yes, big deal of course; it means something's seriously broken up front, but the actual landing I'm fairly comfortable with. While a 172 glides very differently from a Blanik, for instance; the mindset is simillar: every flight in a glider is a deadstick; with one wheel to boot.  Once you've done your first hundred or so; it's not so terrifying (though there are always gonna be those days...). Sideslipping is fairly second-nature as well. Also for myself; one thing got drilled into my head time and time again by Dad and Grandpa (I'm a third-generation pilot): "You can fly one hundred hours, or you can fly one hour one hundred times". And: "A pilot's lisence means you can start learning how to fly". Upshot: My first hundred hours were almost entirely within the circuit; practicing takeoffs, landings. Emergency procedures. Cross-and-downwind landings. Failure drills; loss of flaps, loss of instruments, loss of engine. Over and over - it's a lot more fun than just tootling over the city. Smiley But the vast majority of students don't work like this; they get their lisence and the first thing; they've got Mom, Dad, Sis and their dog Spot up over the city. Though I hate to say it; I have strong reservations about their ability to perform a deadstick if it ever became neccesary. Not just in skill; but in mental preparation - will they panic when the humming stops? They just don't have the practice to be able to perform the required actions without thinking; which is vitally important.
Another is in precise control. Don't get me wrong; our kids are taught VERY well; thankyouverymuch. but in a glider; you really learn to get a grip on that stick and stay behind the towplane - VERY tricky when you're first starting out - even for power pilots getting their rating; I've seen. With rare exceptions; most newly-minted pilots have a certain reservation about grabbing the yoke and giving it a good yank.
Another bit is outward observation. Often as not; rookies getting their power lisence tend to be directed inward - i.e. to the instruments - rather than what's outside. When I was getting my lisence (and others report this as well), I practically had to be forced to look at the controls - I was always scanning the sky with just a quick glance at the six-pack.
Some downsides: I had quite a bit of trouble unlearning the habits from flying 2-33's - had a real annoying tendancy to stomp on the rudder entering a turn. Also at using the engine properly; and most definitely all the annoying bookwork involved in getting the power lisence. (I. Hate. Air. Law.)
So; you might say there are plusses and minuses to getting your glider lisence first; before getting your power; though IMO the skills and experience that gliding gives far outweigh the disadvantages.
What are your opinions?
Thanx. Smiley
 

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Reply #1 - Mar 24th, 2004 at 10:22am

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........and now for my input........Flying things are flying things, and I have done what you did, only with models and radio control....I learned gliders first and then I learned power....to me, this made total sense, as I first had to know some basic aerodyamics and flew by them in unpowered flight, then applied what I knew to the new info I had to learn about power inputs and the reactions these inputs caused to the vehicle.....I would have it no other way......
   I live near a full size airpark and see student training all the time.  The instructors have these relative newbies flying so far down wind, that if they ever lose an engine, they surely will never make the runway !...Glider pilots have this already taken into account when they fly the circuit and make their turns with total regard to the two final turns and make the field with no panic. This is done by training the proper procedures for landing an aircraft......Deadstick doesn't mean your in trouble, it just means you still have a fully functional plane under you, without an engine.....just land the bird !
   Fear not what you have done and the order in which you have done it.....in my eyes, everyone should learn that way.  It would give a much better understanding of the principles of flight ........

   BTW, I had the opportunity to fly a Piper Vagabond last year, and although I had only been in a small plane a few times, I was given approval to take the controls and brought us back from over the Beaufort Mountains on Vancouver Island to Courtenay Airpark.  My PIC was a high time taildragger pilot and much respected in this local area...........as we did our circuit entry he said " You're doing fine, but I just had a heart attack and you better get us down "........I guess he wanted to see how comfortable I had become, so I turned downwind and flew the circuit to landing.....he kicked in some rudder for me once we had touched the tires on a "three-point" no-bounce landing......I feel pretty good, knowing that my first "real" landing was helped immensely by my knowledge of aerodynamics and flight procedures........all learned from models......gliders first !
 

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Reply #2 - Mar 24th, 2004 at 5:47pm

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see "Gimli Glider"   (re: importance of glider experience)
 

.....so I loaded up the plane and moved to Middle-EEEE..........OIL..that is......
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