once upon a time suv's were actually for off road work and fun. As they advanced so did the look of them, they got nicer and famous people decided they wanted to own them as a sign of status, as hey bought them, the general public followed suit, and bought them, as a sign of their status,(much like BMW's Mercs and so on) problem is much like BMW's they have become very common as prices have come down. Now they are no longer as high a status symbol, and i dont even think most can go off road even slightly so the world is then left with many SUV's clogging up the small roads, causing serious pollution, and generally causing a problem.

Get a real 4x4 or get an estate, but NEVER get a SUV...

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Right, there was a show on belgian television, called Peking express. 6 couples hitch-hike from Moskou to Peking. Along the road they could race with Ural-trucks! Now THATS what i call a 4x4!  

Nice to see there are some people around who share my idea about those ridiculous vehicles!

mentallity:

big cargo space
mine is bigger than yours
and if hit will do more damage to the other guy (i.e. an excuse to be a bad driver)

We have large SUV's but that is because we have a family of 6 and things like horse trailers to tow. I personaly detest cars, I couldn't see myself driving a car. An SUV is more usefull, durable, safer, and easier to use. I guarantee when you hit an elk or a deer, or whatever you guys have in Europe, you are going to be wishing you were in an SUV than a car.

Where I'm from, nobody drives a car except for the little old ladies.

If someone can afford to put gas in it than why are you knocking them?

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Lets put this straight. If you hit an elk in any sort of vehicle your going to wish you hadn't. A two ton elk is going to decimate anything short of a tank if you hit it.

As to SUV's being safer, this is a load of rubbish. No vehicle is easier to flip over than an SUV. When people drive them they think they're invinicible, so they drive recklessly, and so they're more likely to have an accident. Modern SUV's are not made of the same stuff as the old Jeeps and Land Rovers. They are not nearly so durable and safe either.

Personally I believe that the only true off roading vehicle in production today is the Land Rover Defender. And even these arn't as good as their forebearers. All these American SUV's are just oversized gas guzzling excuses for a 4x4.

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Yeah well thats G.B., I wouldn't want to drive one there either. right now it's a $1.77 for unleaded, even less for the diesel our truck takes, so "Frankly my dear, I don't give a damm" if my truck sucks gas.

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You answer me this: head on collision between a sedan and a Suburban, or even a small SUV Vs our Ford F-350. Who is going to come out the winner, or better off than the other?

He he, just wait a month till we have bash bars on it too......


Woodlouse,
You will be wishing less in an SUV.
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Also 1 ton=2000lbs. Aveage weight of elk=400-700Lbs. If you know of  a 2 ton elk please by the sake of GOd tell me where you last saw it so that I can come shoot it and be in the record books for the next 1000 years and eatlike a king untill then.

Yes I will admit that SOME drivers of SUV's drive stupid. BUT, I've seen plenty of morons in cars doing things every bit as stupid and ofter dumber. THere are plenty of a**holes in sports cars, and normal cars, that defy the laws of retardedness and stupidity.

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If that were true than the U.S. military wouldnt drive Chevy SUV's and hummers now would they.

Frankly after listening to you for a month or so now Woodie, you sound like you simply don't like anything that comes from the states.

$1.77 at the pump, here in LA it is $2.60 for 91 oct


i shouldn't be complaing, knowing euro prices

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  case in point

Ok, toutchy subject!  

I have no bad feeling towards SUV's perse, if you use them the right way.

Here in Belgium i just can't see the point off them, unless you need to drive around with horses or if you're a construction worker.

But, most of the SUV-drivers in Belgium are show-offs, never comming close to off-road driving! So why would one need such a car under those circumstances. And about feeling safe in a SUV - in case of an accident - think about the people in the other car who get slammed by a 2 ton truck. Not a nice thought!

Here the are overpriced, expensive to drive, and annoying when they drive in front of me!  

If for myself am looking forward to my own little Nissan Micra,with which I won't have any problems finding a parking lot in the german city centres,compared with those guys in their huge SUVs. If I ever see one of them trying to find a parking lot,which is big enough for his SUV,I'll be constantly laughing at him...(I know I'm mean)

They'd get one hell of a problem then...

be thankful it isnt one of ozzys marmalade bombs:)

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I'd just like to point out that the muscle car is still very popular, so I don't think you can call it a decade trend.   

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Corvette's aren't really muscle cars though.  They're more of a sports car.  The muscle car was more of a cheaper car which wasn't 2 seats, and was fast (but its one of those things that everyones definition is a little different).  To me, muscle cars are: Camaro's  , Chargers, Challegers, GTOs, Road Runniers, Chevelle's, GTXs, Baracudas, and other cars of simular types. Personally, I'm not a big Corvette fan either-I like some of the early ones (57, 67, & 69) but those are so expensive its crazy.

lol, the Willy's jeep...

I'll have to see if I can find a picture of my grandfather's 49 willy's convertible...

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Bomb is bomb and all of them look pretty much the same...


P.S: Got another weapon,but that's only my last resort if anything else fails...

P.P.S: Volkswagen is a german company,mkay,and not from that mad island in the Atlantic!  (just kidding, Woody and all of you Englishmen. )

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both vehicles would take considerable damage depending on speed, but no one wins if someone dies

To put it all in perspective and to put it bluntly a car is a car is a car ....... It gets you from A-B hopefully safely. Whatever car anyone chooses to drive is irrelivent as long as its driven well.

Just to add to the off road debate the Russians and Austrians make/made the best off road vehicles.

Lada's (even the saloons) where built to handle conditions that some tanks  would be sruggling in.

and the Austrian contender is the Pinhauser ... mostly used in specialist areas such as Mountain rescue and occasionally seen @ airports as  part of the fire department.

It definately would if the driver was clever...

the only thing that I've heard about Hummer's getting stuck in is snow, the driver got it into deep snow and just spun the tires and it ended up sitting on the chassis.....

anyways...you guys are completely forgetting something.....




Jeep>all 

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I wouldn't say that....America honestly builds some of the worst motorcycles in the world.  Yamaha, Ducati, Aprilia, Suzuki, Kawasaki, Honda, Triumph are imported. Some of our airlines (delta, iirc) buy Airbus.....Im not big on my airline aircraft but arent the CRJs Brazilian? Coast Guard buys Augustas (italian?) and Aerospatiale.  My Nikon N70 (Japan). Playstation.  Diamonds (majority of em) cars, some video games, stereos, video camera, tons of electrical junk..... as I think of the imports I'll post more....

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actually, i believe the picture is of a dodge durango

We dont have a stock 350. It belonged to a rodeo bronc rider who used it to pull his tripple axle horse trailer and had every thing imaginable added to it including a chip for the engine and had the chassis reinforced as well. I am going to fare better a than the other guy in an accident guaranteed.

I also have another picture, a little more serious than the above that would help illustrate lighter vehicle doing sever damage and probably killing the occupants in a vehicle 4-maybe 6 times the weight of it.

Bwahahahahaha! Great pic!

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I suppose its ok since there isnt any blood or remains of bodies in it, I keep pictures like these as a reminder of what happens when I get myself into machines.........



keep in mind, the modern day sports bike weighs in roughly at 380lbs + rider, not sure how much the car weighs...but still considerably more than the bike.

I also have a video of a motorcycle rearending a parked car, the bike lifted the whole rear end of the car off the ground and decimated the whole trunk..

I don't know what all the confusion about the US buying foreign is...check out the General Dynamics Canada (Formerly GM Diesil Canada)  site.

Home of the AUS Stryker, USMC LAV-25...and based in London, Ontario, Canada.

And all of them based on the Swiss MOWAG Pirannha.

http://www.gdls-canada.com/

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But can you take apart and put back together a Hummer with just a spanner?

I think not!

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Hear! Hear!

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Marijuana - legal.
Cheap sort of petrol - illegal.

Strange country,if you ask me...

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Well, maybe after 30 years you find out that something needs replacing...


Ivan, I still don't think you'll ever beat an old 88" Series 2a...


They look kinda sporty without the roof don't they?

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Working electrics? I'll have you know that the rear right hand light works and so do the dashboard lights!

Needless to say, I don't drive it in the dark...