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Southwest Airlines:  A Pilot's Perspective (Read 680 times)
Mar 22nd, 2004 at 9:04pm

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Hello all!  I just discovered the greatness of Project AI.  Being the pilot for Southwest virtual that I am, I figured I'd try it out on my favorite route, KLBB-->KABQ.  I'm a corny story teller, but I'm gonna give it a shot anyway.

I arrive at the Lubbock Terminal an hour early for my flight, which leaves at 8:05 (that's 7:05 my time, talk about EARLY!).  After going through the briefing process with my first officer, Mike, we're out the jetway and preflighting the cockpit.
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After getting IFR clearance, I get permission to taxi and hold position on runway 17R, and I'm on my way.
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Tower quickly clears me for takeoff.  I runnup the throttles, and feel the power of the big engines push us foward. (In the background you can see another Southwest plane, as well as a default AI plane.  There's gotta be a way to get rid of those Angry)
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As we ascend to FL275, I look through the window to see my home field of Clovis Municipal.  I think to myself, "If all goes well, I'll travel 200 miles away to Albuquerque, just to get in my trusty Cessna 152 I left there and travel 200 miles back.  Seems like a waste."
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I turn off the fasten seatbelts sign and put my feet up for a quick nap.  I wake up hearing Mike report the weather in Albuquerque to the cabin.  "They're reporting broken clouds right now, but they should be fixed when we get there."  It's a good thing he decided to become a pilot instead of a comedian. Wink  He already had us descending over the Sandia Mountains.
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Approach clears us for the visual runway 21 approach, and I throw the flaps and gear down as we contact Albuquerque tower.
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The VASI indicated me high, but I make one of my famous soft landings.
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I taxi her towards the gate, and get a good view of a Continental AI plane (That is so cool I think I'm gonna pee my pants Embarrassed!  The tails of some default planes are in the background though Angry!  I gotta gid rid of those.)
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I shut down the engines and set the parking brakes as the flight attendants open the door.  I can finally fly the 200 miles back home to Clovis.

Coming soon:  Albuquerque to Sin City.
 
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Reply #1 - Mar 22nd, 2004 at 9:17pm

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Great shoots...NOT so corny of a story....keep the pictures and the stories coming Smiley
 
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Reply #2 - Mar 22nd, 2004 at 10:37pm

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Jay,

Great shots.  I love the blue Southwest livery.

Where can I visit the VA you belong to?  I am an avid watcher of "Airline!" on the A&E channel and I would love to fly their planes in a realistic setting of a VA.

Thanks and nice shots, again!
 

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Reply #3 - Mar 22nd, 2004 at 10:40pm

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Southwest has one of the worst reps in aviation - the pilots that is Wink

Slamming aircraft on landings (that is good to a certain extent), taxiing in F1 style, rapid descents with speedbrakes to very low altitudes - and the list goes on.

SWA are real hot shot guys eh?
Smiley  Grin
 
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Reply #4 - Mar 23rd, 2004 at 2:23am

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In defense of Southwest and their pilots, hard landings are most likely felt on a 737-700.  I have spoken to many Southwest pilots about the differences among the 737 variants in their fleet and all have said the -700 tends to stick, or hit harder and takes a bit more effort to bring down gently.  Excuse?  I'll stay out of that one...haha

Descending rapidly with speedbrakes is another issue assosciated with the 737-700.  It has a much cleaner airfoil and therefore needs a little help slowing down.

But as far as the high approaches with last minute descents, or the fast taxi techniques...they are just hot shot pilots looking to save their company some time and money.  Tongue 

I must add...nothing about their flying is unsafe.

 

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Reply #5 - Mar 23rd, 2004 at 3:22am

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But as far as the high approaches with last minute descents, or the fast taxi techniques...they are just hot shot pilots looking to save their company some time and money.  Tongue  

I must add...nothing about their flying is unsafe.


If the company line is to save time and money .... and the pilots risk life and limb to do it ..... then the flying is unsafe.  Angry

Otherwise great pics  Grin
 

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Reply #6 - Mar 23rd, 2004 at 4:03am

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They are NOT risking any lives and they are not breaking any rules.  It's simply a technique that is not only cost effective, but noise reducing...  And it's safe.  They don't have an almost perfect safety record for nothing.  

Yes, great pics by the way.  Glad to see someone else sportin' SWA.   Smiley
 

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Reply #7 - Mar 23rd, 2004 at 7:05am

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I agree with Silver, they are not risking lives or flying unsafe.
Kinda like driving on the highway in 70mph instead of the legal 65mph Wink

Every way to save some cash - the low cost airlines will find them, but they'd never break any regulations.
Smiley

Are there any Autothrottles installed on SWA's 737 yet?
In my book about 737, it says that SWA opted to go without it  ???
 
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Reply #8 - Mar 23rd, 2004 at 7:35am

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great pics.
Prob find alot of southwest pilots are Ex navy, which would also explain the hard landings:) as for F1 style taxi'ing  a ryan air plane did that in manchester a few weeks ago they went so fast and onto an active runway without clearance, a departing A320 had to slam its breaks on full to avoid hitting it. Just because the pilots for this low cost airline wanted to save a couple of minutes a day, they almost killed 150+ people I wont say southwest are like that i have never had the pleausure of flying with them Roll Eyes so i dont know, but it wouldnt surprise me.
 
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Reply #9 - Mar 23rd, 2004 at 10:38am

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Jay,

Great shots.  I love the blue Southwest livery.

Where can I visit the VA you belong to?  I am an avid watcher of "Airline!" on the A&E channel and I would love to fly their planes in a realistic setting of a VA.

Thanks and nice shots, again!


I fly for Southwest Virtual, at www.virtualswa.com ; It's alot of fun, the only drawback is that all of the planes painted for Southwest right now are either really grainy paints of the default 737-400, or they are of one of the FFX 737-300,-500, or -700.  They don't have payload stations set so you can change how many passengers you're loading, no Virtual Cockpit, and somebody forgot to paint the inside, like the pilot's faces and the door.

And "Airline" is a pretty cool show, don't you think?

Okay, I can't figure out how to quote more than one thing, so here we go:

"Southwest has one of the worst reps in aviation - the pilots that is 

Slamming aircraft on landings (that is good to a certain extent), taxiing in F1 style, rapid descents with speedbrakes to very low altitudes - and the list goes on.

SWA are real hot shot guys eh?"

To Nexus:

The vast majority of times I've flown are on Southwest, as from my little town of Clovis, you can drive to Albuquerque and catch a cheap Southwest flight to the West, or you can take a shorter drive to Lubbock and fly to the east on Continental.  In all of my experience, I have never experienced a hard landing on Southwest, even in the terrible turbulence we went through on a flight into Albuquerque last October.  Now we can examine a certain safety record.  In my 14 years of life, there has only been one Southwest incident that I can remember, when they decided to park at a gas station in California instead of at the gate.  No lives were lost.  Tell me if there are any other incidents that you can think off.

"great pics.
Prob find alot of southwest pilots are Ex navy, which would also explain the hard landings as for F1 style taxi'ing  a ryan air plane did that in manchester a few weeks ago they went so fast and onto an active runway without clearance, a departing A320 had to slam its breaks on full to avoid hitting it. Just because the pilots for this low cost airline wanted to save a couple of minutes a day, they almost killed 150+ people I wont say southwest are like that i have never had the pleausure of flying with them  so i dont know, but it wouldnt surprise me"

Well, I don't know about the rest of them, but my uncle joined the Air Force (don't know of them making hard landings) when he was 18, did his 20 years service, and then joined Southwest.  Right now, he is a senior captain, gets to chose where he flies, and works 4 days out of the week.  Can't complain about a job like that.  And about the F1 style taxiing,  he came to stay with us in Clovis once, and we drove him back to Lubbock where he had to fly out somewhere.  I watched him get pushed back by the tug, and he made alot smoother taxiing in that 737 than I do in the 152 I train in at our airport.   And besides, Southwest is cool cause their flight attendants say funny things like "There may be 50 ways to leave your lover, but there are only 4 ways to leave this plane."  And they have yummy peanuts, too! Grin
 
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Reply #10 - Mar 23rd, 2004 at 12:27pm

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Great pics. It wasnt a corny story. Keep them coming. Sam Grin
 

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Reply #11 - Mar 23rd, 2004 at 1:55pm

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About 90% of my air travel history has been with Southwest Airlines.  I travel along the west coast a handful of times every year and I always choose Southwest.  Although I have experienced some of those interesting, exciting, and fun approaches, I cannot recall a time when we made an extremely hard landing, slamming down onto the runway, not even during any nasty weather.

Because Southwest's pilots like to make a somewhat higher and steeper descent, that does not mean they slam the plane onto the runway doing so.  Chances are, hard landings experienced on Southwest have no relation to their descending techniques and are no different than situations that might cause a hard landing on ANY airline.

It is true that in Southwest Airlines' 30+ years of service, they only have one blemish on their safety record and yes, that was the incident in Burbank California in which the aircraft overran the runway back in 2000.  Yes, it was linked to pilot error, but that was the only time they broke the rules and well, they payed for it. 

And please, lets not compare Southwest with Ryanair.  There just is no comparison...Ryanair has one of the worst reputations of any airline in the world for various reasons, and Southwest sits on top of the LCC world.  They are the ultimate LCC and their success is matched by no other.
 

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Reply #12 - Mar 23rd, 2004 at 2:16pm

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like i said i have never flown them so i cant comment. I just put an incident that happens when planes taxi too fast, it doesnt matter how good a company is, if the pilot makes the mistake. Personally i wont fly any LCC, not to be snobby, but i just wont:)
 
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Reply #13 - Mar 23rd, 2004 at 5:59pm

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I agree than Ryanair has a rather poor reputation, and rightfully so.
But I think Easy Jet could be a good comparison to SWA.

Easy Jet are enjoying great success, and has expanded immensely the last years, acquiring companies like Deutche BA and GO!

I only fly SAS though  Wink
 
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Reply #14 - Mar 24th, 2004 at 10:54am

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easyjet do tend to throw their aircraft about a bit but its fun. there was a whislting sound from the door when i travelled to belfast from manchester which kinda worried me though. cant speak for ryanair although i love their livery Cheesy

 

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