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Mar 22nd, 2004 at 8:46pm

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When it comes time for landing.....I tend to get scared....I moslty wait always do ILS approaches..I need to do some Vor...but anyways....when landing and coming up on the runway it seems to come in very fast..when in my 777-300 I come in flaps full landing gear down and speed breaks ussually at 2..but I can never seem to take the AUtopilot off...I am ussually on avertical decline of 700-900 feet per minute??? What can I do..or what pointers do you have for landing someone told me to stay 1 notch below even with the ILs...and when you get about 200feet above the runway take autopilot off and land it manually...Also whenever I get a crosswind...I only fly jets(737-747-777-A319-A320 you get it)....I never am able to stay on the runway....if someone could please help
 
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Reply #1 - Mar 22nd, 2004 at 11:25pm

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Inexperience.

That's your problem, but nothing that can't be solved Wink

I'd never recomend you to turn off the AP at 200AGL if it's not really necessary. If you disengage it earlier, you have more time to make corrections and get a general "feel" of the aircraft. At 200ft AGL, one mistake there and you'll have to play catch up. Not good.
And inexperienced pilots does make mistakes - we have all been there. So turn it off earlier, that's my advice.

You should always follow the ILS needles, the "One notch below" probably means you should INTERCEPT the glideslope from BELOW. But correctly, that's called to have the needle "1 dot above". As the needle starts to move down, you'll engage the approach mode.

Landings in crosswinds are always tricky. There are two ways to encounter this:

Sideslip: Very hard technique: You lower the aileron facing the wind, but at the same time, deflect the rudder to the opposite direction (that is called cross control). This will cause the airplane to have a slight bank angle, but it will keep the aircraft nicely aligned with the runway all the way down.

The other technique is the easy one:

Crabbing: Mostly used on commercial jets
You'll fly into the wind, to track the extended runway centreline. this off course means you're flying "sideways", even though you're ground track is straight forward.
Just before touchdown, you'll use left or right rudder (depending on wind direction) to align the aircraft with the runway. Keep in mind that a yaw motion from the rudder will aswell cause a roll motion, so if you used right rudder to align with runway, lower left wing to encounter the right roll (again cross control!)

I know it sounds confusing, but that's my advice.
Send me PM's if you have questions iof what I said Smiley

Good luck!

 
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Reply #2 - Mar 23rd, 2004 at 2:50am
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Your description remind me of the early days when I was new to the Sims and trying to justify buying a Joystick.     I hope you're not trying to fly the big jets with the keyboard ?
 
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Reply #3 - Mar 23rd, 2004 at 6:34am

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Thanks Nxus for the very detailed response...as for Bazza yeh that I will have to agree with i use the horrible keyboard..I bought a joystick and it had just a little throttle thing in the middle...I should buy a "better" one but IDK becasue I am young and can't have a job yet....
 
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Reply #4 - Mar 23rd, 2004 at 7:43am

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I have something to suggest you to practice. Once at the end of a flight and a 20-30 seconds (at least) before the final turn towards the runway, save your flight with a name that will not be overwriten by mistake. Reload from there and land as many times necessary to make a good landing.
I would suggest to use the autopilot in the begining just for the turn towards the runway and immediately disengage it and fly the landing manually.
Once you have mastered the final, continue disengaging the autopilot earlier so that you do the final turn manually as well.

Be caraful not to be fed up though as a tired pilot cannot fly good landings.

It may look difficult and maybe "scary" as you said but if you do it without pressure, knowing it will take time but it will have great results in the end, you will really enjoy it.

As for the joystick I have a Cyborg Saitek and I highly recommend it. It is not expensive too (about 25-30 euros).
 
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Reply #5 - Mar 23rd, 2004 at 9:27am

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Ok her is a good joystick the SAITEK X45 Wink
Find it at http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-form/102-9649356-1883327

CHARGE!!!!!!


P.S. Don't loik at Saitek.com and thats $79.99......
 

Play that funky music white boy!!!&&&&I'm talking bot the FUNK.
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Reply #6 - Mar 23rd, 2004 at 1:58pm

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Quote:
Crabbing: Mostly used on commercial jets


Crabbing is used by all pilots in all aircrafts Wink

I practice it all the time in crosswind conditions in the 172 trainer
 
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Reply #7 - Mar 23rd, 2004 at 5:40pm

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Quote:
Crabbing is used by all pilots in all aircrafts Wink

I practice it all the time in crosswind conditions in the 172 trainer


Maybe you misunderstood me.
Jrpilot said he flies the jets only, so my response was merely an indication which one of the techniques the JETS use....
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Reply #8 - Mar 23rd, 2004 at 5:52pm

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Perhaps take the route real world pilots do..

...learn first in a less complex and less difficult aircraft to fly before taking on the more difficult ones?

Just a suggestion. Smiley
 
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