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Mar 21st, 2004 at 6:14pm

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ok i know this is not an easy task, because i myself have been trying to work on this and to no prevail yet, but i've been trying to add weapons such as guns and aam's & agm's (air to air missles, air to ground missles) to flight simulator 2004. i've been trying to incorporate combat flight sim files and fs9 files to make this work but never get further than frustration, my question to anyone is, is this even possible, is there a type of program i can create to make this work, i know there are effects that simulate weapons available but they do no damage to scenery or aircraft thus making it pointless and just for show, a squad on fs9 that i am apart of would like to take it to the next level and incorporate bombing missions and dogfights and so on but dont want to be limited to combat flight simulators but would rather do missions on fs9, im sure alot of people out there would like to see something like this, but i am no programmer so im basically learning on the fly here, if anyone has tried to tackle this before let me know maybe we can put our minds together to figure something out.
 
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Reply #1 - Mar 21st, 2004 at 11:21pm

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I'm afraid U won't find this program pal...very sorry, as far as I know it's impossible to cause damage to scenery while fying fs2004.
what I've tried is to link the weapons (scenery and textures) that come within cfs2 aircrafts and create a full loaded fs2004 arcraft, even that no gun really works, would be great to see some a/c fully loaded or some tanks ejected when talkin about fighters...no success at all  Sad Sad

sorry to give U such bad news...

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Reply #2 - Mar 22nd, 2004 at 6:38am

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thats the route i've been trying to do, cfs2 and fs9 file swapping, but as you have stated im running into the same problems. im going to keep at it and see if it is even remotley possible until i expend all options or frustration levels  Wink
 
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Reply #3 - Mar 22nd, 2004 at 12:22pm

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FS2004 is a civil simulator. If you want a modern combat sim, go get Strike Fighters Wink
 
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Reply #4 - Mar 22nd, 2004 at 12:45pm

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is not the case...hmm, see, in my mind I don't want to destroy sceneries, no no, for that cfsxx is quite good, what I would like to see is the hability to deploy missiles and they go let's say 50 nm and booom! or desappear, what I would like to see is my mustang flying plenty of gas and suddenly I ejected all my tanks and became an acrobat! Do U understand???
It could be so nice to fire the cannons but no destruction at all, just the pleasure to see these features, at least, is my point of view, gotta no intention to destroy nothing =)
Maybe this is the same way BLITZ thinks too

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Reply #5 - Mar 22nd, 2004 at 12:59pm

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you hit it on the button foo fighter, i think most of us have the combat sims and they are good in there own aspect but the one thing missing in fs9 is that extra thrill of the ability to do actual military drills in aircraft,  most fighters in the real world that are sent up in the air are not unarmed so why have them unarmed in fs9?... in the combat sims, to me at least, they are not as realistic as the flight simulator series and are often under exagerated or sometimes over exagerated.  flight simulator has alot, but is still missing that "something" that could put it over the edge.
 
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Reply #6 - Mar 22nd, 2004 at 4:48pm

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MS or somebody needs to come out with a new flight sim that allows you to do anything from combat with working weapons and exploding objects to all levels of civil aviation.  That would be really cool. Cheesy

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Reply #7 - Mar 22nd, 2004 at 6:25pm

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1000% agreed, most of the modern combat type style flight sims have crappy graphics or are not even worth buying into.
 
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Reply #8 - Mar 22nd, 2004 at 6:36pm

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oh, I see, I believe there's effects for that
 
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Reply #9 - Mar 22nd, 2004 at 6:46pm

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im well aware of the effects but like i stated they are really not that great and they do no actual damage, the effects are not worth it if your trying to do multiplayer squad drills, and they are just that.. "effects".. and nothing more.
 
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Reply #10 - Mar 23rd, 2004 at 9:07am

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yes, I agree that it would be great to have that possibilitie in fs9! I am part of a Virtual Air Force, and when I ask something to get fs9 more like a combat sim, people allways say : "this is a civil simulator, if you want combat get cf2!"
Well, I have cf1, cf2, cf3, lock on, il2, il2 forgotten batles, mig alley, etc!! some are great others, so so, but all of them lack the "real thing aspect"!! they're flight behaveur allways sims a bit wrong when compared to fs9, and as part of a VAir Force, we really enjoy having the whole world designed in fs9, so that we can go anywhere in the world for exercises, or some war!! other combat sims don't have this!
I would gladly pay more money for a flight sim that could have both worlds!!
 

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Reply #11 - Mar 23rd, 2004 at 1:15pm

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yes, I agree that it would be great to have that possibilitie in fs9! I am part of a Virtual Air Force, and when I ask something to get fs9 more like a combat sim, people allways say : "this is a civil simulator, if you want combat get cf2!"
Well, I have cf1, cf2, cf3, lock on, il2, il2 forgotten batles, mig alley, etc!! some are great others, so so, but all of them lack the "real thing aspect"!! they're flight behaveur allways sims a bit wrong when compared to fs9, and as part of a VAir Force, we really enjoy having the whole world designed in fs9, so that we can go anywhere in the world for exercises, or some war!! other combat sims don't have this!
I would gladly pay more money for a flight sim that could have both worlds!!


you couldnt have said it better, yes it is a civil simulator, but there is that "lack" that erks most of us, they need to come out with a addon for this or something cause i belive alot of people agree on this subject that the combat sims dont do it justice.
 
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Reply #12 - Mar 23rd, 2004 at 2:40pm

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yup guys that's what is missin' a mix between cfs series and fs series a hibrid where weapons seens to work but the  effectivity of these are false, I mean, U shot, U deploy but nothin is damage or destroyed, just the pleasure to see a F-14 like Dino Cataneo firing all 6 phoenix missiles! or the excelent Spit's firing their cannons I don't think that this would be hard to do, because dp files and weapons sceneries do exist....but as far as I can see, my tech knowledge is'nt enough to to this...  Sad

 

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Reply #13 - Mar 23rd, 2004 at 2:48pm

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The whole world is on CFS2, despite it's limitations, it can be modded with FS2000 Scenery, Terrain mesh and addon scenery of good quality.

I too, would like to see a Blended Flight Sim, where I could be a Sky Pirate (Crimson Skies), A Defender (virtual air force Combat Sim Style), or a happless victim of terrorism (FS2004 virtual airline). Add to that a stunning ground simulator complete with Elected and self declared dictators, Wanna-be's, Vigilantes, Cults, and an observer mode where you are just a plain citizen watching it all happen on the boob tube, reporters, news crews, medics..............

We could declare wars and get very nasty with each other, (as real as it gets!  Grin), Form alliances and protect our borders.

In fact, it would be great, maybe all the soldiers on the planet could be issued a stonking great killer PC, and we could fight it out from the comfort of an air conditioned lounge instead of the horrors of mud and blood.

But maybe they'd get bored.........

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Reply #14 - Mar 24th, 2004 at 4:45pm

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yup guys that's what is missin' a mix between cfs series and fs series a hibrid where weapons seens to work but the  effectivity of these are false, I mean, U shot, U deploy but nothin is damage or destroyed, just the pleasure to see a F-14 like Dino Cataneo firing all 6 phoenix missiles! or the excelent Spit's firing their cannons I don't think that this would be hard to do, because dp files and weapons sceneries do exist....but as far as I can see, my tech knowledge is'nt enough to to this...  Sad



that can be acheived through effects, thats nothing new, but im talking about them doing actual damage as they would in the real world, to have weapons but not have them work defeats the purpose of having them
 
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Reply #15 - Mar 24th, 2004 at 7:07pm

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then get LOMAC Tongue
 
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Reply #16 - Mar 25th, 2004 at 12:30am

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then get LOMAC Tongue

that must have gone over my head...

what is lomac?
 
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Reply #17 - Mar 25th, 2004 at 12:37am

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Gents:
This is all we cfs2 fans have been praying for..but MS is playing deaf on us.
i agree with the fact that fs9 is a civil sim, well cfs4 should be fs9 with guns, then you´ll have the cvil and the military sim apart from each other, but the same core game at the end.
Bottom line is, the next cfs series will be designed after cfs3, Cry ,so all the beauty and OH!´s and Ah!´s of fs9 will not be there, ,sad to say but it is the truth.
That´s what i like of cfs2, ,the capacity to go anywhere in this world, even when you don´t want to make any harm,  you can fly a fully loaded plane and KNOW that those hanging under your wings aren´t dummies.
Keep fs9  a civil sim, give us a fs9 military version.....please!! Grin
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Reply #18 - Mar 25th, 2004 at 7:50am

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This is all we cfs2 fans have been praying for..but MS is playing deaf on us.
i agree with the fact that fs9 is a civil sim, well cfs4 should be fs9 with guns, then you´ll have the cvil and the military sim apart from each other, but the same core game at the end.
Bottom line is, the next cfs series will be designed after cfs3, Cry ,so all the beauty and OH!´s and Ah!´s of fs9 will not be there, ,sad to say but it is the truth.
That´s what i like of cfs2, ,the capacity to go anywhere in this world, even when you don´t want to make any harm,  you can fly a fully loaded plane and KNOW that those hanging under your wings aren´t dummies.
Keep fs9  a civil sim, give us a fs9 military version.....please!! Grin
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there ya go, thats not a bad idea, my suggestion is making an addon available in the stores even, id pay an extra 20 - 30 bucks to make it military friendly. i wonder if we could petition microsoft about this, of course it would take them forever and a day to do something like this and probably wouldnt see it till fs2008 but hey as long as it's done i would be happy and im sure alot of others as well
 
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Reply #19 - Mar 25th, 2004 at 10:20am

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I'm sorry to say
I dont hold much hope that you will be able to get this working,  for several reasons.
I'm sure it could be done but there is a lot of high level programming that would have to be done.
Considering that you have stated you are not a programmer, it would take you quite some time to develop the skills needed. Along with that you would have to get right into the machine code and I'll bet that Microsoft would have something to say about it.

The only hope I see would be FSUPIC kind of add-on, something using the collision detection and aircraft damage effects, but it would only work air to air at best and wouldnt come close to what I think you want.

Plug away while your at it we could see it happen somewhere.  People have been talking about a virtual battle field for a good 15 years now.  A place modeled on the real worls where land sea and Air forces share the same world and interact.  It is coming and the company that can get it on the market will be someting to buy stock in for sure.  All the peices are in place, someon just needs to put it all into one box so it works.

Add- on some virtual reality helmets ( and a good chair that you wont fall out of) and fights on!

 

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Reply #20 - Mar 26th, 2004 at 5:20am

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Hi all: Everything that has been asked for or stated here is in fact already developed and in use. The only thing is that to be privy to it you have to be in the armed services. I've sat in the seat of an f14 sim and flown it around the battle fields with full armament that is fireable or can be droped with effects. The graphics aren't that much better than what you have in FS9 right now. I was amased when I first saw how good the FS9 grahics are. In my mind there is a higher reason for not having what we want than M$ not doing the programing, because they already have. Its just not going to be avaliable to the public for some time to come.
 

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Reply #21 - Mar 26th, 2004 at 8:07am

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Sounds like a great idea.
You could fly the presidents airplane with fighter support. And have a terrorist attempt to get to the president. Then take off in your escort fighter and take out the attacker. Or take out that plane that took out the civilian aircraft.

But of course if MS did it it would run at 12fps  Tongue
 

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Reply #22 - Mar 26th, 2004 at 8:30pm

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It IS definatley possible (using FSUIPC ).
But as J3 said, it would need a complex little add-on.
The thing here, is to get a few programmers interested in this and maby they could work something out.

I think most people would want CFS4 to be FS9 with guns, since FS9 is such a good base to build on.

Makes me wonder why MS changed the CFS engine.
I suppose if they brought out one product that fulfils two categories, it would be like shootin yourself in the foot.



 
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Reply #23 - Mar 27th, 2004 at 7:53am

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Makes me wonder why MS changed the CFS engine.


Well.......i think we cfs-series-fans have some responsability on this. We wanted "multiple and controllable gunners" we wanted this we wanted that and forgot that at the end this is a fligth sim..for simulated pilots no gunners. if you find boring flying a mission on a b17 as a pilot...then go for another game, you are suposed to be a pilot.Another reason is microsofts Xbox, MS wants in the future that all it´s games to be used only by this toy, the cfs series (i guess) format is not suitable for this. So they changed it.
Bottom line......fs9 IS a great simulator....very adictive.....lots of eye candy, just like fs8 when it cmae out....the cfs series (for me) were always a version of this sims but with guns.The cards have been dealt, this the deck we have and we have to play with it.
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