Simviation Forum - Massed ETO aircraft

Reply #15 - Mar 8^th, 2004 at 6:57pm

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I Got About 30 A/C TO Land On One Strip ???

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Reply #16 - Mar 9^th, 2004 at 7:47am

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Hagar, I don't think I shall ever be in a positin to know more than you on any subject sir!

You are of course correct. It is not good to include planes from other sites in your downloads and Avhistory won't like that at all. However, Avhistory have now stopped developing for CFS2 now so the planes won't be changing much if at all in the future which is the main reason sites like to keep control of where their planes are posted.

As a rule I don't like it if planes are included along with missions. It makes the download very big and I possibly have the plane already.

My suggestion would be to include an html readme which would include the required planes and links directly to the downloads or each site. So long as the sites are given credit this should satisfy everyone.

Listing all the planes you are using would also be great as we all have our personal favorite versions of different planes and it would make it easier to swap planes in your missions for our favorite.
For example, I try t oonly fly 1% planes and where possible avhistory planes. This is my personal preference as I think the method creates planes types that are correctly comparably and matched as they should be.
I have downloaded several missions where I have then gone through the files swapping the planes for the 1% equivalent. This shouldn't effect the missions but I get to fly the planes I like!

I hope this helps

Kev

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Reply #17 - Mar 10^th, 2004 at 2:00pm

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Geez; this is annoying; trying to find a Mk1 Spit!
Looks like I'm going with Hagar's idea after all - use CFS1 aircraft and modify them for CFS2.
On the plus side; scenery looks good (using the Cfs2BoB textures); especially when combined with PACTEX.
First three missions are done. Good thing the fun is in the building; otherwise this could get REAL tedious! LOL
Building a quick webpage for downloading the mess once it's ready to be tested - I'll keep you guys posted.
(And for inspiration; I've just watched The Battle of Britain on DVD 6 times in a row. Grin

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Reply #18 - Mar 14^th, 2004 at 1:54pm

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Geez; this is annoying; trying to find a Mk1 Spit!
Looks like I'm going with Hagar's idea after all - use CFS1 aircraft and modify them for CFS2.
On the plus side; scenery looks good (using the Cfs2BoB textures); especially when combined with PACTEX.
First three missions are done. Good thing the fun is in the building; otherwise this could get REAL tedious! LOL
Building a quick webpage for downloading the mess once it's ready to be tested - I'll keep you guys posted.
(And for inspiration; I've just watched The Battle of Britain on DVD 6 times in a row. Grin

)

I think there are a few early spits out now. I however used to use the VB spit MkI as it was the only one I could find. Oh yeah, for Hurricanes go and check out Mauro's. They really can't be beaten. Wink

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Reply #19 - Mar 15^th, 2004 at 5:15am

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Thanx for the info; Woodlouse, I'll check it out.

Just as an update; here's how it's gone so far:
Campaign Length: 40 missions. (5 complete)
Scope: the length of the real BoB.
Mission: To fly first as a junior hurricane pilot at Kenley, then flight leader. Ultimately posted as CO of a Spit squad at Hawkinge.
Campaign type: Linear; semi-dynamic. (Same missions; but victory or loss in the previous mission determines resources and info for this one. i.e. if Ventnor takes a beating; you'll have less time to scramble.) - flowcharted and plotted; .cmg file written.
Required files: (Just finished testing. Still have to get permission; even if it's not actually required.)
CFS2BoB V.1.01, by Gary Burns. Excellent airbases; perfect for what I need in this campaign. includes the Cliffs.

1GB Hurricane mk.1. Great 'cane; lovely to look at and fly.
VB Spit mk.1 What you'd expect from VB; superb work.
Note - should I not recieve permission for these planes; modified CFS1 stock will be used instead.
Remaining BoB planes stock CFS1.
PACTEX. Not actually required; but so good you really, really want it.
New .50 cal. sound. God knows where I got it; but it's great.
Modified existing files:
Airbases.dat. Stock CFS1 fields adjusted to match BoB airfields. Hawkinge, Kenley, Hornchurch and Tangmere now have double strips; landing and taking off in both directions. (Tangmere, for instance, now has 07L, 07R, 25L and 25R. It's a field; not a strip; so multiple runs is reasonable.) Unneeded airfields removed.
Callsign.dat. An American Wink

must've come up with the British callsigns; they're so cheesy. I've added about 30.

Needed: a sound pack of British voices for comms. The silence is drivin' me nuts!

Reference: Found a fantastic site on the Battle; one I'm sure many are familiar with: http://www.raf.mod.uk/bob1940/bobhome.html
Superb site; great resources. Includes a daily report section for the entire battle - what I've based the campaign flow off of.

...And that's where I am! Geez; I've barely started - now the hard part comes in!
The hardest part has been trying to get the 'feel' right. That's important. I think I've managed.
The website for it's being built; it's just a cheesy little Geocities page; but I don't know how to do more than that.

Cheers!

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Reply #20 - Mar 15^th, 2004 at 5:32am

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Good luck with the campaign.

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Note - should I not recieve permission for these planes; modified CFS1 stock will be used instead.

You could always do what most mission designers do these days. List all extra files required with links to the download sites in the Readme. This way you need no permission from the designers to use their stuff although it's always appreciated if you drop them a line.

The only problem with this is if the download site goes down or diasppears for some reason. This is all too common with some of the older CFS1 missions/campaigns. I spend a lot of time tracking down the necessary files for people having problems. Sometimes with no luck as the files are no longer posted anywhere.

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Reply #21 - Mar 15^th, 2004 at 6:40am

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'Lo again, Hagar - I see we keep the same hours - stupidly long. 'course; you've got an excuse - it's daytime for you right now. Roll Eyes

Anyhoo; that's exactly what I'm planning. the Geocities website I'm building only allows so much (10Mb? Don't know for sure) usage a day; so I have to be cautious.
The main reason I'm asking permission for all is a) it's courteous to do so, and b) there are small modifications that must be made to a couple of 'planes to get them to work properly within the campaign - I need to keep them balanced right. I plan to do it this way: hypertext the link to the required aircraft; and provide a "Campaign only" .dp (only thing changed is the sound of the guns; to take advantage of that lovely .50cal. sound) and .air file for it in the downloaded kit. That keeps my usage small (I don't know any of these webpage words - just mucking about with the editor), and the developers happy - hopefully.
I don't want to run into another issue like I did with you that one time. Amiable as it was; I should've realized right out that the folks who spend so much time making these birds won't appreciate tweaks without at least a by-your-leave.

I've done a lot of work on CFS2 in my time; making missions and such; under different names. (VF20 Recce, 67th Mako, Mako_PacCom, Cattier Corgi, Midnight Wolfe, and others.) I served with several online squads - in each squad; I'd design missions for training; competing, etc. Did my best to combine the limitations of CFS2 - few though they are - with my real-world flight and instruction experience to make each one enjoyable. This one; I intend to be my opus; if you will - the best I can possibly do. I want it to be everything the stock campaigns weren't. Hell - they're not campaigns; just a collection of disjointed battles. This one; I really want to put a player into the seat my Grandfather sat in. Max realism; max challenge, max fun.
hee hee - just hope I get it done before CFS8 comes out. Grin

Cheers!

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Reply #22 - Mar 15^th, 2004 at 10:09am

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'Lo again, Hagar - I see we keep the same hours - stupidly long. 'course; you've got an excuse - it's daytime for you right now. Roll Eyes

I assumed you were in the UK like me. I obviously got the wrong idea. Wink

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I don't want to run into another issue like I did with you that one time. Amiable as it was; I should've realized right out that the folks who spend so much time making these birds won't appreciate tweaks without at least a by-your-leave.

I don't recall any issues. ??? All my earlier stuff is proper Freeware with no restrictions on posting on other sites. It's always nice if someone asks first but that is not a requirement. The only time I get upset is when someone takes credit for my work & that of my colleagues or tries to profit by selling it. This is piracy & something I will not tolerate.

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Reply #23 - Mar 15^th, 2004 at 1:05pm

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There is a Spitfire Mk.Ia over at http://www.avsim.com

Search for 'YAS Spitfire'

Regards,
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Reply #24 - Mar 15^th, 2004 at 5:02pm

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Thanks for the help; Stratobat - I'll check it out.

Hagar - 'Issue' was the wrong word; and there wasn't anything even remotely negative - just a comment that got me thinking about other peoples' work.

This thread: http://www.simviation.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=cfs2;action=display;num=10...

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Reply #25 - Mar 15^th, 2004 at 5:31pm

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Hagar - 'Issue' was the wrong word; and there wasn't anything even remotely negative - just a comment that got me thinking about other peoples' work.

LOL Thanks for explaining. You would know if I was offended or upset. It's not a pretty sight. Shocked

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Reply #26 - Mar 20^th, 2004 at 10:19am

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Hi Guys

Kev's work is a great effort on his part and I want to thank all who do so much to keep this great game out front..again thanxs to all who do..

The great new 50cal sound file...please where do I find it..OEM are to wimppy...

Thanks to all who help.. Kiss

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Thanx for the info; Woodlouse, I'll check it out.

Just as an update; here's how it's gone so far:
Campaign Length: 40 missions. (5 complete)
Scope: the length of the real BoB.
Mission: To fly first as a junior hurricane pilot at Kenley, then flight leader. Ultimately posted as CO of a Spit squad at Hawkinge.
Campaign type: Linear; semi-dynamic. (Same missions; but victory or loss in the previous mission determines resources and info for this one. i.e. if Ventnor takes a beating; you'll have less time to scramble.) - flowcharted and plotted; .cmg file written.
Required files: (Just finished testing. Still have to get permission; even if it's not actually required.)
CFS2BoB V.1.01, by Gary Burns. Excellent airbases; perfect for what I need in this campaign. includes the Cliffs.

1GB Hurricane mk.1. Great 'cane; lovely to look at and fly.
VB Spit mk.1 What you'd expect from VB; superb work.
Note - should I not recieve permission for these planes; modified CFS1 stock will be used instead.
Remaining BoB planes stock CFS1.
PACTEX. Not actually required; but so good you really, really want it.
New .50 cal. sound. God knows where I got it; but it's great.
Modified existing files:
Airbases.dat. Stock CFS1 fields adjusted to match BoB airfields. Hawkinge, Kenley, Hornchurch and Tangmere now have double strips; landing and taking off in both directions. (Tangmere, for instance, now has 07L, 07R, 25L and 25R. It's a field; not a strip; so multiple runs is reasonable.) Unneeded airfields removed.
Callsign.dat. An American Wink

must've come up with the British callsigns; they're so cheesy. I've added about 30.

Needed: a sound pack of British voices for comms. The silence is drivin' me nuts!

Reference: Found a fantastic site on the Battle; one I'm sure many are familiar with: http://www.raf.mod.uk/bob1940/bobhome.html
Superb site; great resources. Includes a daily report section for the entire battle - what I've based the campaign flow off of.

...And that's where I am! Geez; I've barely started - now the hard part comes in!
The hardest part has been trying to get the 'feel' right. That's important. I think I've managed.
The website for it's being built; it's just a cheesy little Geocities page; but I don't know how to do more than that.

Cheers!

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Reply #27 - Mar 20^th, 2004 at 11:53am

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The great new 50cal sound file...please where do I find it..OEM are to wimppy...

Dicksite,

I think there's a .50 cal sound file here in the Misc section or over at Netwings. If you can't find it, let me know and I'll send it too you.

Regards,
Stratobat

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Reply #28 - Mar 20^th, 2004 at 10:16pm

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Thanks Stratobat

I'll head there ASAP and take a look...if not I'll give you a shout on your generous offer..which is why this group is the best....

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Dicksite,

I think there's a .50 cal sound file here in the Misc section or over at Netwings. If you can't find it, let me know and I'll send it too you.

Regards,
Stratobat

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Reply #29 - Apr 4^th, 2004 at 12:57am

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You can convert the radio chatter from cfs1 and place it in cfs2. And if you make a seperate instal as Hagar suggests you won't have problems with duplicate names on the sound files.

regards Collin

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