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Feb 17^th, 2004 at 5:15pm

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guess he got bored flying helicopters the right way up:)
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Reply #1 - Feb 17^th, 2004 at 7:36pm

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Whoa, that takes skill!

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Reply #2 - Feb 18^th, 2004 at 8:30am

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If you look closely, there's a cluster of carabiners falling from the cockpit window. Wink

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Reply #3 - Feb 18^th, 2004 at 2:49pm

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I deny everything Grin

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Reply #4 - Feb 18^th, 2004 at 3:23pm

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I never saw a full-sized helo do this yet. Tongue

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Reply #5 - Feb 18^th, 2004 at 3:29pm

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LOL:)
Doesnt have to do with the fact a full sized helicoptor can cost millions of £'s could it?

Cool trick, what does it do??hover upside down and spin or fly forwards while doing it?

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Reply #6 - Feb 18^th, 2004 at 3:38pm

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Only two helis in the world can loop to the best of my knowledge, the Lynx and the Apache. I've seen a Lynx do it, and the first time my lower jaw was around my ankles!
No heli could hover upside down. Physics gets in the way Grin

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Reply #7 - Feb 18^th, 2004 at 3:53pm

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Leave it to Mark to have all the specifics.... Roll Eyes

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Reply #8 - Feb 18^th, 2004 at 3:56pm

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lol i knew about the whole only the lynx and apache can go upside down thing. My question is, Why? LOL, what real purpose does it serve other than a cool party trick. And the noise it creates from the lynx doing it.

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Reply #9 - Feb 18^th, 2004 at 3:58pm

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It took many years to develop a R/C model helicopter. I believe the first one flew successfully in the 1970s. Now they can do much more than a full-sized one. They're capable of sustained inverted flight under full control & can even climb inverted. Roll Eyes

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Reply #10 - Feb 18^th, 2004 at 4:01pm

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The Lynx and Apache have composite rotors that don't flex, so can sustain their shape even in the most extreme flying. Hence the tricks 8)

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Reply #11 - Feb 18^th, 2004 at 4:04pm

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lol i get all that, But why? it cant provide much if any help on the battlefield and must cost extra on the blades to have them. So they must serve a purpose that i am missing.

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Reply #12 - Feb 18^th, 2004 at 4:14pm

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Its to improve performance and handling Craig Wink

Oh and it makes maintenance less frequent

Hence money saved. Oh and allegedly they're better resistant to battle damage (but I've yet to see this proved!)

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Reply #13 - Feb 18^th, 2004 at 4:19pm

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lets face it. one RPG on the tail rotor of either and they are going down. Thanks for the answer. I could have asked my dad seeing as he was a mechanic on them for years, but i think my phone bills gonna be high enough this month:) thanks again Mark.

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Reply #14 - Feb 18^th, 2004 at 4:28pm

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No worries Craig, and frankly if you can hit it with an RPG its either parked, or you're going to be eating shrapnel Wink

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Reply #15 - Feb 18^th, 2004 at 5:22pm

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Yes hagar, at this stage, RC helis are more capable than airplanes. Some outrageous stuff is out there.

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Reply #16 - Feb 18^th, 2004 at 5:32pm

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Yes hagar, at this stage, RC helis are more capable than airplanes. Some outrageous stuff is out there.

Tell me about it Jaffa. As a dedicated fixed-wing R/C modeller I hate model helos more than I hate the real ones. LOL Grin

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Reply #17 - Feb 18^th, 2004 at 7:24pm

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Don't hate me for flying them! Tongue

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Reply #18 - Feb 19^th, 2004 at 9:52am

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Don't hate me for flying them! Tongue

I don't hate anybody. Each to their own I say & good luck to them. At least you're far enough away not to bother me. Grin

PS. The helo enthusiasts in our R/C club have their own field - thank goodness. Wink

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Reply #19 - Feb 19^th, 2004 at 2:07pm

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Hagar are any of your models capable of hauling a Browning .50 cal? Just I know this geezer in Mile End....
Could liven up Sunday morning flying sessions Wink

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Reply #20 - Feb 19^th, 2004 at 3:09pm

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Hagar are any of your models capable of hauling a Browning .50 cal? Just I know this geezer in Mile End....
Could liven up Sunday morning flying sessions Wink

No but I know a French modeller who drops real bombs from his large-scale FW 190. Shocked

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Reply #21 - Feb 19^th, 2004 at 3:50pm

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I heard of a French modeller that put a 4mm gun on his plane. Roll Eyes

And Hagar, don't worry, it's not too bothersome. 20" rotor span and electric. Wink

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Reply #22 - Feb 19^th, 2004 at 4:24pm

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I work at the Boeing factory where the Apache is built. The only reason they demonstrate aerobatics is to impress possible buyers (marketing). I have also worked with U.S. Army Apache pilots and maintenance crews. They are forbidden from doing any of those maneuvers. The Cheif test pilot at Boeing is the guy that flies the aerobatics. He once likened it to Buzz Lightyear's flying ability which is more like falling gracefully. Wink

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Reply #23 - Feb 19^th, 2004 at 4:29pm

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So tell me again, why do we need to replace the Lynx?

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Reply #24 - Feb 19^th, 2004 at 4:32pm

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there are only a few people in the army allowed to do this here too. Those being the blue eagles lynx pilots. The thing to note with the squad, is they are all either instructors, or have been instructors at some point, and have been flying formany years. This is the armys best of the best basically:) although the lynx pilot has it sort of easy. Its the Gazelle pilots who have to do the tricky stuff.

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Reply #25 - Feb 19^th, 2004 at 4:37pm

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So tell me again, why do we need to replace the Lynx?

because its getting very old. But like i said before, the plan is to replace it with a new updated lynx(assuming they havent cancelled the project) there are a few things it needs to improve on.
1: Weapons and systems, it can only carry 8 TOW anti tank missiles, with the option for a machine gun.
Not even half that of the Apache.
2:Space for soldiers, i believe it is equipped to carry 10. this is meant to be a frontline helicopter, 10 soldiers isnt exactly many.
3: It needs to be able to fit on all the ships the current lynx can land on.

and in my opinion it needs to be able to use its speed alot better. This helicopter holds the speed record, and apart from the one which holds that record(now resting in weston super-mare) none of them are fitted to fly that fast, a few simple modifications would allow it.

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Reply #26 - Feb 19^th, 2004 at 7:21pm

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lets face it. one RPG on the tail rotor of either and they are going down.

This is a very good point that I've not seen discussed. It always seemed obvious to me that helicopters are particularly vulnerable to ground fire. It would take very little damage to bring one down with disastrous results. This appears to be borne out by recent events. So how effective are they in modern warfare?

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