Simviation Forum - Dogfighting - Would appreciate some help

Feb 7^th, 2004 at 6:59am

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Here's the story. I just got CFS3 a week or so ago.

I simply would like to know some good tips on dogfighting, and shooting down enemies without wasting too much ammo.

I'd very much appreciate some help

Mike

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Reply #1 - Feb 7^th, 2004 at 7:06am

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Get in nice and close, and then pump lead into the nose and cockpit, this usually does the trick Wink

Basically Mike its practice, but the closer you are, the bigger the target and the more effective are your weapons.

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Reply #2 - Feb 7^th, 2004 at 7:14am

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Get in nice and close, and then pump lead into the nose and cockpit, this usually does the trick Wink

Basically Mike its practice, but the closer you are, the bigger the target and the more effective are your weapons.

Ozzy

Should i just shoot a few rounds at him, or hold dowm on the trigger and waste half my ammo?

I'm not sure ???

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Reply #3 - Feb 7^th, 2004 at 7:30am

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Short bursts. Otherwise you're wasting Wink

Or if its a bomber try rockets, that is REALLY fun Grin

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Reply #4 - Feb 7^th, 2004 at 7:33am

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Oooh, sounds interesting, i'll try it out Cheesy

Thanks Ozzy

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Reply #5 - Feb 7^th, 2004 at 7:36am

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Short bursts. Otherwise you're wasting Wink

Or if its a bomber try rockets, that is REALLY fun Grin

Any Ju-88 C-6 pilot is going to wish he flew a different plane, Ju88's are my FAVORITE targets!!!!!!! Grin

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Reply #6 - Feb 7^th, 2004 at 7:47am

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Remember to lead your targets (not aim at where they are now!). Happy hunting Mike.

Ozzy Wink

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Reply #7 - Feb 7^th, 2004 at 7:51am

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Remember to lead your targets (not aim at where they are now!). Happy hunting Mike.

Ozzy Wink

What do you mean by "Lead"?

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Reply #8 - Feb 7^th, 2004 at 9:29am

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The target is moving, you have to aim ahead of it to hit it. If its climbing you have to aim above it, if its diving you'll have to aim below it etc Wink

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Reply #9 - Feb 7^th, 2004 at 9:29am

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What Ozzy is talking about is deflection shooting. You should aim ahead of your target, especially when making a beam attack or are in a turning fight. The further away from the target, the more deflection angle you will need. To get this right needs practice. Wink

I find it is more difficult to get into those close, tight turning dogfights in CFS3 than it was in CFS2 and so mastering the art of deflection shooting becomes more essential. I also find fast, powerful fighters like the Tempest are better in a dogfight in CFS3 because the extra speed lets you get in nice and close with most opponents and lets you get away again just as quickly.

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Reply #10 - Feb 7^th, 2004 at 9:38am

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Oh, thats what you meant by "leading", aha, ok, thought you meant something else Grin

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Reply #11 - Feb 7^th, 2004 at 9:44am

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Nah Mike, if the target is sitting on your chuff its time to turn and burn and shake that sucker off Wink

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Reply #12 - Feb 7^th, 2004 at 9:54am

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Mhm, i see, ok

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Reply #13 - Feb 7^th, 2004 at 11:21am

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I find that if your up against a 262 then a few rounds into the tail will usually remove that part of the plane. Also try and hit one of his engines. They can't take any damage and it will slow him down nicely.

Use the Tempest for dogfights. Stay on the tail of your target and don't shoot intill your sure of a kill. The best times to shoot are when on his tail in a climb or when he's just pulling out of a dive.

Using these tactics I find I can ususally down at least five enemy fighters before I run out of ammo.

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Reply #14 - Feb 7^th, 2004 at 11:31am

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Much appreciated woodlouse, thanks!!! Cheesy

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Reply #15 - Feb 10^th, 2004 at 11:39am

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Getting in close helps.
Short bursts. Watch tracers.
Lots of lead on the target. Bottom of sight.
G is critical. 3 - 4 max. Greater than 4 low probability.
Watch for target angular change.
Shoot sheet metal. The more showing the better.
Best for mid to long shot is when target is in the vertical, slowing and turn rate is modest.
High angle, closing shots are ok short burst. One hit will slow the target.

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Reply #16 - Feb 10^th, 2004 at 1:40pm

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Hmm, i see, very ineresting indeed. Thanks

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Reply #17 - Feb 11^th, 2004 at 8:13pm

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The AI ace N's are inept.
Set up neutral.
Turn off target ID, leave cone on.
Offset the target block slightly or the N will shoot you and not be seen.
At the merge pull 4 G in the vertical. Cockpit view and use the gyro, can't see the N anyway. 51 at 50 pct fuel excellent to learn on.
Coming through the vertical pull to the cone.
The N is always low on the 51.
Through the vertical and just what is wanted. Height advantage.
The N will usually stay in the weeds pulling flat hard turns into you.
Watch speed, take small angle bites on him, wings level and pull into the vertical. Keep 51 250 - 300 mph before the pull. Dont flat turn with him unless clearly at advantage.
Just keep chipping away at the angles. No hurry. 51 is always in charge. You are just along for the trigger pull.
Remember A/Burner is available if the N zooms and escape easy by driving reciprical heading.

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Reply #18 - Feb 12^th, 2004 at 5:15pm

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What the bloody hell was he on about? Roll Eyes

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Reply #19 - Feb 12^th, 2004 at 6:03pm

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Likely nothing you will figure out.

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Reply #20 - Feb 12^th, 2004 at 6:15pm

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Probably not. All these N's and 51's. It's like some sort of code. And A/burner's too! I never knew prop planes had them! Shocked

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Reply #21 - Feb 14^th, 2004 at 7:34am

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The AI ace N's are inept.
Set up neutral.
Turn off target ID, leave cone on.
Offset the target block slightly or the N will shoot you and not be seen.
At the merge pull 4 G in the vertical. Cockpit view and use the gyro, can't see the N anyway. 51 at 50 pct fuel excellent to learn on.
Coming through the vertical pull to the cone.
The N is always low on the 51.
Through the vertical and just what is wanted. Height advantage.
The N will usually stay in the weeds pulling flat hard turns into you.
Watch speed, take small angle bites on him, wings level and pull into the vertical. Keep 51 250 - 300 mph before the pull. Dont flat turn with him unless clearly at advantage.
Just keep chipping away at the angles. No hurry. 51 is always in charge. You are just along for the trigger pull.
Remember A/Burner is available if the N zooms and escape easy by driving reciprical heading.

Whats all the " / " about ??

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