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Jan 20th, 2004 at 10:27am

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Hello everyone!
The other day me and my friend we talking and comparing feet, miles etc with metric systems and he asked me what system does Europe use in the airplanes? Feet, miles etc or meters and kilometers? From what I heared Russian planes use metric system in their cocpits but how about Canada, Europe or Afrika? Does they also use meteric system or do they use feet and miles for altitude and speed? Thanks.
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Reply #1 - Jan 20th, 2004 at 10:35am

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Hi JVC. To be honest I don't know. Roll Eyes

I live in the UK. In all the time I was involved with aircraft, well over 40 years, airspeed has been measured in MPH or Knots & altitude has been measured in Feet. Many of the aircraft used here nowadays were manufactured in the US. I imagine the airlines have their own requirements but in my experience, private & GA aircraft would use the instruments fitted by the manufacturer. This would be practical for spares procurement.
 

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Reply #2 - Jan 20th, 2004 at 10:46am

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How about Canada? I heared they use feet and knots too. If so then how come only Russian airplanes use metric system? I don't know how pilots in Russia use that system because when I tried flying russian aircraft in FS2004 I got all confused with metric system Roll Eyes. lol
 
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Reply #3 - Jan 20th, 2004 at 10:50am

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French & German manufactured aircraft used to have metric instruments fitted as standard. The throttles on French aircraft also worked in the opposite direction to normal. I don't know if this is still the case.
 

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Reply #4 - Jan 20th, 2004 at 10:52am

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i believe the asian markets use metric system.
 
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Reply #5 - Jan 20th, 2004 at 11:27am

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I don't know much about commercial flying at all. I would have thought the FL system is the international standard used by ATC all over the world. This is based on altitudes in Feet. It would be somewhat confusing if this varies depending on the country you're flying over.

As for those Russian aircraft in FS I would think the practical solution is to use a different panel with the gauges you're used to - or simply swap the gauges.
 

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Reply #6 - Jan 20th, 2004 at 1:17pm

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the glider i fly, we use meters and km/h

our piper uses kts and ft

and i think every airliners uses ft, kts and nm.  Wink
 

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Reply #7 - Jan 20th, 2004 at 1:21pm

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i have seen a few pictures on Anet claiming they were using Meters in singapore as it was the way they worked. since most modern commercial planes have the option for both and pilots who dont prob have a convertor to help.since i dont know for sure i wont put it as a gaurentee
 
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Reply #8 - Jan 20th, 2004 at 7:03pm

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It's very intersting, why don't everybody just use knots and nm? Wouldn't that be easier for the pilots and for ATC?
 
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Reply #9 - Jan 21st, 2004 at 2:02am

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It's very intersting, why don't everybody just use knots and nm? Wouldn't that be easier for the pilots and for ATC?

This would of course be ideal & avoid possible mistakes. In fact I believe it is usually the case with commercial aviation, just as English is the international language used for radio communication.

A lot of things would be easier if we all used the same measurement systems & spoke the same language but we don't. From personal experience, incorrect conversion from one to the other is responsible for a lot of accidents.
 

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Reply #10 - Jan 21st, 2004 at 4:58pm

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Are there any plans to actually make one standart system for mesuring altitude, speeed etc?
 
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Reply #11 - Jan 21st, 2004 at 7:46pm

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As I said earlier, I think this is already the case with commercial & possibly military aviation. For example: flight level (FL) seven zero = 7,000 feet. This is internationally recognised ATC procedure.

This might not apply to light or GA aircraft flying local VFR. Some aircraft would be fitted with whatever the preference is in that particular country. As Bones mentioned, the gliders he flies have metric instruments.
 

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Reply #12 - Jan 21st, 2004 at 10:13pm

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Cool stuff. Never thought about that. I always thought that it is just in the USA where people use feet. People just told me that feet and miles are not popular in Europe or elsewhere. Thanks for sharing this intersting info with me  Smiley
 
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Reply #13 - Jan 22nd, 2004 at 3:21am

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People just told me that feet and miles are not popular in Europe or elsewhere.

Most of Europe has used the metric system for many years. The UK is now officially metric but the speed limits on our road signs are still in mph & some things like milk & beer are still sold in pints. I think there might be a riot if they suggested changing this. It's a very strange situation as with most things here. Neither one nor the other. You get used to being messed around after a while but it can be confusing, even for the locals. Roll Eyes

Being of the pre-metric generation I still think & work in the old Imperial values. I know how far a mile is & what an inch or a foot looks like without getting out a tape measure but never could visualise a kilometre. Wink
 

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Reply #14 - Jan 22nd, 2004 at 3:18pm

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afaik it's knots and feet everywhere but in the former soviet union(and possibly china)
 

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Reply #15 - Jan 22nd, 2004 at 9:56pm

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So I guess some russian planes such as Il-86 or Tu-154 have meters and kilometers Roll Eyes.
 
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Reply #16 - Jan 23rd, 2004 at 6:18pm

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if it's an international model they have dual altimeters, and often GPS fitted.

Some have only metric ones and usually stay within the CIS region.

if it's a Il-86 or Tu-154 it will probably have dual altimeters... with the Tu-134 it depends where Aeroflot used it for. international flight ones have dual, the internal flying ones probably not.
 

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Reply #17 - Jan 26th, 2004 at 2:04pm

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......also...
Our European measurement of distance is in metres...eg: kilometre.
Meters are measuring instruments, clocks, gauges, etc,... eg: voltmeter.

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P.S.  I'm also a great advocate of the use of the word Pence, (English money), rather than the word Pee...
5 Pence, NOT 5 Pee.... Wink...
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Reply #18 - Jan 26th, 2004 at 2:19pm

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P.S.  I'm also a great advocate of the use of the word Pence, (English money), rather than the word Pee...
5 Pence, NOT 5 Pee.... Wink...
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Good old Foz. I'm with you on this but we might not have to worry about it much longer. Wink

PS. I don't have a Euro symbol on my keyboard at the moment. I suppose there is one on there somewhere if I care to look for it.
 

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Good old Foz. I'm with you on this but we might not have to worry about it much longer. Wink

PS. I don't have a Euro symbol on my keyboard at the moment. I suppose there is one on there somewhere if I care to look for it.


Hi Doug... Grin...!
..there's nothing quite like the magic of having Fruppence, freefarvings jingling in your purse... Grin... Grin... Grin...!
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Cheers... Wink...!

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Reply #20 - Jan 26th, 2004 at 2:52pm

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Hi Doug... Grin...!
..there's nothing quite like the magic of having Fruppence, freefarvings jingling in your purse... Grin... Grin... Grin...!
LOL...!

Cheers... Wink...!

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Hi Foz. It might be showing my age but this brings back many fond memories. The Beatles actually wrote a song about it in those far off days when the world was a happier place. Well I thought it was anyway. Roll Eyes Four of chips* would have to be translated now. A bag of chips costs £1 in my local chippie these days.

*Four penn'orth of chips.  Delicious smothered with salt & vinegar & eaten with your fingers out of the newspaper wrapping. (French fries in the US but I don't think the French had anything to do with it.) As for finger pie, maybe we won't go there. Cheesy
 

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Reply #21 - Jan 26th, 2004 at 3:16pm

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So why is it called "French fries" then? Where did it come from?
 
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Reply #22 - Jan 26th, 2004 at 3:37pm

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So why is it called "French fries" then? Where did it come from?


Hi JVC...

...have a shufty here mate... Wink...!
..'splains it all..!
(Personally, I blame it all on the French...and you lot over in the 'States).... Wink...!
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"Chips", we call 'em... Grin...!

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=french+fries&btnG=Google+...

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Reply #23 - Jan 26th, 2004 at 4:10pm

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So why is it called "French fries" then? Where did it come from?

As usual there's various stories. Here's one.
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'Do you want Belgian fries with that?" That's what you might be hearing at fast-food restaurants today if it hadn't been for World War I. The Belgians claim to have invented "French" fries, though no one knows for sure. The dish was first prepared as early as the 1700s and was simply called fried potatoes. Thomas Jefferson sampled them in Paris and brought the recipe home. At a White House dinner in 1802, the menu included "potatoes served in the French manner." But that's not how they got their name.

Their commercial success began in 1864, when Joseph Malines of London put "fish and chips" (French fries) on the menu. His success inspired others across Europe. But they weren't French fries until 1918 or so. American soldiers stationed in France gobbled up fried potatoes. They dubbed them "French fries" and liked them so much they wanted to have them at home, too. Americans still love French fries. Last year alone, more than 4.5 billion pounds of them were sold in the United States.
 

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Reply #24 - Jan 26th, 2004 at 6:45pm

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And here's another story:

Apparently, "French" is an old English verb meaning to cut into long, thin strips. And so frenched and fried potatoes became french fries, and not actually French at all.
 
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Reply #25 - Jan 26th, 2004 at 11:13pm

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Intersting stories you guys posted  Smiley. That question kep bugging me since I first heared "french fries", lol.
 
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