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Jan 17th, 2004 at 7:33pm

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Hi People,

I sent an e-mail the other day to the Webmaster of this site in relation to a Texture release for the Cessna Citation Aircraft, heading reference:

Civil Jets:  FS2004 Cessna Citation II YV550CP Transload Airlines Connect.

This set of two textures was posted without my, or the Virtual Airlines proprietor's consent or knowledge.

Just wondering how I can have these textures removed and if this site's administration can please identify to me the person that published/released these textures.

Not on a witch hunt, just want to find out how/why they were released and to clear up any loose ends that may have lead the publisher to think that he/she could release these textures without appropriate acknowledgments and consents.

Regards and thanks in advance. 
 

 

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Reply #1 - Jan 17th, 2004 at 8:05pm

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Garry, my advice would be to contact Pete, who runs this site.  He's VERY strict about this sort of thing, and my guess is he'd be very helpful.  I don't wanna speak for him, but I know that he doesn't accept this type of behavior at all....(nor do most of the people who visit!)
 

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Reply #2 - Jan 17th, 2004 at 8:12pm

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Thanks Scott,

I sent an e-mail to the Webmaster yesterday but have not seen a response as of yet from that mail - the "Webmaster" was the only e-mail address that I could find on the main site.

Forgive my ignorance, but is there a quick e-mail address for "Pete" somewhere so that I can contact him direct.

Again thanks Scott, and I am sure that Simviation is as strict as the other sites when it comes to issues like this when they are brought to their notice.

For validation that the textures previously exist then please visit:
http://www.transloadairlines.com

Go to the Connect Division Navigation area on the LEFT and select Fleet.

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Reply #3 - Jan 17th, 2004 at 8:14pm

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Not sure about an email address, but you can instant message him by clicking on his name anywhere on the forums that you see it.  The name he goes by on this site is (ironically enough) "Pete".
 

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Reply #4 - Jan 17th, 2004 at 8:29pm

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Thanks Mate,

Found "Pete" and checked his profile and his e-mail is webmaster@simviation.com, and he is offline at the moment so I guess that he has not yet had a chance to read and responde to my e-mail reference this matter that I sent the other day.

I was hoping on a swift removal of this texture post but I acknowledge that people have a life and that they are not online and monitoring all of the time Grin

I just have to be patient.  Smiley

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Reply #5 - Jan 17th, 2004 at 8:47pm

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I was hoping on a swift removal of this texture post but I acknowledge that people have a life and that they are not online and monitoring all of the time Grin

I just have to be patient.  Smiley

Regards

What? a life? LOL, there is quite a few here that seem to "live" here. (me included)
As stated before, Pete does not put up with  copyrights being violated. I have no doubt once he reads you message it will be delt with
 

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Reply #6 - Jan 17th, 2004 at 8:51pm

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Please forgive my ignorance, but why are you wanting this removed?  I understand it's a virtual airline, but why would you want to keep it out of the hands of your fellow simmers?  I just downloaded and checked it out and it's a nice paint scheme.  It sure would be a shame if this file was made unavailable.  Sharing is what flight simmers can always prop up their pride on.  I wish you'd reconsider. Wink  Maybe you could repost it with your copyright info after it gets removed? Roll Eyes
 
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Reply #7 - Jan 17th, 2004 at 8:53pm

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AHHHH, but when the company is good it is always hard to leave.  And Simviation has a great bunch of patrons and participants in their forums.

One of the better international Flight Sim sites and forums and I have seen a few in my time. Wink

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Reply #8 - Jan 17th, 2004 at 9:02pm

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Please forgive my ignorance, but why are you wanting this removed?  I understand it's a virtual airline, but why would you want to keep it out of the hands of your fellow simmers?  I just downloaded and checked it out and it's a nice paint scheme.  It sure would be a shame if this file was made unavailable.  Sharing is what flight simmers can always prop up their pride on.  I wish you'd reconsider. Wink  Maybe you could repost it with your copyright info after it gets removed? Roll Eyes


Where the problem comes in is that in most freeware makers post a "readme" file that will sometimes say "dont upload this or change it etc.. with out my permission". Some one ignors it and uploads it and takes credit for it. Some have ended up on payware. Its more a gentlemens agreement in most cases.

Garry has very right to upset, and to request its removal.
 

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Reply #9 - Jan 17th, 2004 at 9:13pm

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Hi jubjub47,

Sorry but you miss the point - the textures are available from Transload Virtual Airlines.  The perogative of where textures, aircraft, scenery etc are released from is normally the right of those who created them.

The reason that the ones in question should be removed is that they were published without consent and the post implies that someone else did the artwork. 

They also did not seek permission from myself or the Virtual Airline to publish these texture through an alternative source.

Most of my texture work is normally published either through my site http://www.gjsmith.net or through the VA airline sites that has commissioned textures for their needs.

Occassionally I release a texture set through a site like Simviation but use that opportunity to generate interest in the hundreds of textures that I have available through my site or to encourage other painters to also release textures through sites like these.

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Reply #10 - Jan 17th, 2004 at 9:17pm

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Plus, when you've reached the level that Garry has, and you're that well known and respected throughout the hobby, people shouldn't disrespect your talent like that. Wink
 

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Reply #11 - Jan 17th, 2004 at 9:41pm

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Thanks for your kind words Scott,

I like to think that we should not abuse anyones efforts, good bad or indifferent,  and always apply curtesy, respect and acknowledgement for other peoples work across the whole spectrum of the Flight Sim hobby.

The majority of simmers follow the "Gentlemens" concept of aircraft, textures, scenery etc releases and a very small number abuse it occassionally, intentionally or unintentionally, and as long as we stamp on those digressions quickly and effectively then we can keep the hobby enjoyable for all.

Regards and thanks again for your kind words.
 

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Reply #12 - Jan 17th, 2004 at 10:02pm

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Garry,

I was not implying that you didn't have a valid argument.  It may have sounded as if I was.  I was under the impression that the files was not shared or to be shared period.  I didn't know that you kept the file available for download from your site.  It would be great to see some more of your work show up on the larger upload sites though.  They definetely reflect the hard work you've put into them. Cheesy Grin
 
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Reply #13 - Jan 17th, 2004 at 10:22pm

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You (people in general, not you jubjub) may or may not remember the excellent panels that John "FS Tipster" Consterdine uploaded exclusively to SimV and which were immediately appropriated by a website whose name we do not mention here.

John wanted to do something special for his friends.  He didn't charge anything for his panels, which are as good as any payware panels I've seen.  He just wanted people to come to SimV if they wanted to get his panels.

I agree completely with Garry and I respect his right to place restrictions on his uploads.  I also appreciate our mods taking prompt action to remove it in accordance with his wishes.

I have some of Garry's aircraft.  There are tons of them available on his website.  Since he didn't post a link to it I won't either but if you go to a small amount of trouble you will easily find it.  (Hint: Click on his profile)
 
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Reply #14 - Jan 17th, 2004 at 10:41pm

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Hi JubJub47 and WebbPA,

I appreciate your kind words about my textures etc and understand your outlook.  However, I learned a long time ago to publish my textures through my own site so that I would no longer be accused of favouritism to any particular site.  

Some sim sites graciously allow me to advertise my texture site occassionally and I have always been grateful for those site administrators tolerating my little plugs every now and again.

WebbPA  - I will be a little bolder and highlight my latest FREE texture that is available on my B777-MJ page of my site (she is down at the bottom of the page)

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Sorry for the blatant plug - but feel free to browse my catalogue and see if there is anything there that suites your needs.

Regards and again thank you gentlemen for your support.

 

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Reply #15 - Jan 17th, 2004 at 10:54pm

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I'm happy to plug you.  I didn't know why you didn't post the link in your sig so I didn't want to be too obvious.
 
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Reply #16 - Jan 17th, 2004 at 11:23pm

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Thanks Jim,

Simviation has always been a strong supporter of my little site and I have always appreciated that greatly.

I have edited my signature block to have the link on it now.

Some, no names to protect the guilty, have purged my posts in their forums because they think that my site is a payware site as I have a small percentage (under 10%)  of textures available for $2.00 each simply to help with the overall cost of running the site.   Not making big dollars either I'm sorry to report  Cheesy

But the occassional $2.00 here and there and some generious donations every now and again help a great deal and a big thankyou to those who do help or turn a blind eye to my little plugs here and there.

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Reply #17 - Jan 18th, 2004 at 3:22am

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Well, I appreciate the "Plug" as that is a very pretty aeroplane picture there and I want it!

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Reply #18 - Jan 18th, 2004 at 6:47am

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Hi Will,

I presume your "I want it" is refering to the texture for the aircraft not the picture shown  Cheesy

Feel free to pop on over to my site - hit the Catalog button - goto the  B777 pages and you will find the B777-MJ page link, follow that link and down at the bottom of the page and you will find out how to get the texture set.

She looks even better in the simulator - JPG has a tendency to downgrade the screenshot.

Regards and happy simming.
 

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Reply #19 - Jan 18th, 2004 at 7:41am

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Hi Gary, just to let you know I've had & am still having a hectic few days - & this is the 1st I've heard of this. On Saturday morning alone I had 1695 messages waiting in 'webmaster' - 99% were the result of a DOS attack & were security alerts.

I also get several 100 spam/virus messages every day so my spam filter has over 100  block words in it - so much good mail gets deleted.

Again I have to rush out now (single dad of a 5y/o) but I'll deal with this as soon as I can - this PM I hope.

Sorry & thanks for your understanding.
 

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Reply #20 - Jan 18th, 2004 at 8:03am

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Hi Pete,

Thanks for getting back to me on this matter - I understand the flood of mail issue - suffer the same myself, not quite the same volume but lots and lots of junk.  I too have probably killed many important messages inadvertently.

If you would like I can forward the message again through this forum as a personal message to you.

But the gist of it is that the download file mentioned is an exact copy of two of my textures that were commissioned by TransloadAirlines Virtual for their exclusive distribution through their site (free distribution) but definitely limited to being available to their site.

Both myself and the proprietor of the http://www.transloadairlines.com site seek to identify the Publisher - not as a negative aspect but to simply discover why they believed that they had the right to publish these textures without consent nor proper acknowledgment and to clear up any misconceptions that they may have. 

Regards and my appreciation in advance when you get the time from your busy schedule.
 

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Reply #21 - Jan 18th, 2004 at 12:44pm

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Hi Will,

I presume your "I want it" is refering to the texture for the aircraft not the picture shown  Cheesy

Feel free to pop on over to my site - hit the Catalog button - goto the  B777 pages and you will find the B777-MJ page link, follow that link and down at the bottom of the page and you will find out how to get the texture set.

She looks even better in the simulator - JPG has a tendency to downgrade the screenshot.

Regards and happy simming.


That's exactly what I meant, and exactly what I did.

Thanks mate
 

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Reply #22 - Jan 19th, 2004 at 11:29am

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Hi Gary,

Great work by the way. I fully support you in this issue.
I too have expereinced some of this. Won't go into it other than it sure makes you angry that someone else uses your work and makes a claim, explicit or vague, that it is their's.

I have found that most creator's will allow you to upload a package of theirs if no files are changed, or will allow you to use theirs and modify IF credit is given where it is due. ONLY one time did a creator of a package not want me to post it on my site. This stuff is for CFS2. I respected his wish and put a link to his site to go get the package.

I read carefully the README and copyright info. Even if they claim it is FREEWARE and can do with it what we like, if I use it, I give them, as the original creator, mention and/or credit. Seems only fair. If they require permission, I get it. Try to anyway. Have had a few that after two or three weeks of waiting for a reply, I have to drop it. Sad

Pete and the fellas here are extremely interested in running a site that maintains it's good name, and they have done a very good job.  I am sure the problem will be corrected as soon as Pete can get through all his emails, the spam and get his 5 y/o off his leg.  Grin

Best of luck Gary and to your site. Keep up the GREAT work.

 

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Reply #23 - Jan 19th, 2004 at 2:37pm

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Hello Gary, How are things. We have spoken a few times in the past. I was always "plugging" your site when "reflective" textures first came out! You are the "PIONEER of REFLECTIVE TEXTURES"!!!  Grin
  I remember over a year ago when I "stumbled" onto your site. I was so impressed that I think I down loaded almost all of your repaints! I still frequent your site and congratulate you on all of your hard work and contributions the flight simming community.
Glad to see you 'POPPED IN", even if it is to clear up this mess!

PS. While you are here can, you develop a real good weathered texture like the aircraft in these shots I took while leaving Heathrow. The beat up metal look is very different and makes this aircraft look like it has seen some hard time! Grin    Shocked 
Anyway, Keep up the great work!!

Here is the link to the shots of Project Opensky's 747 done in the Air India livery with the weathered look.

http://www.simviation.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=screen;action=display;num=...

Dave  8)

Oh, and to add to previous posts, Pete does not stand for this nor do many of the members here so I am sure it will be taken care of!

Cheers!!
 

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Reply #24 - Jan 19th, 2004 at 5:55pm

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Thanks Genlemen for your kind words.

Pete has been able to grab a bit of time from his busy schedule and has now removed the offending texture release.  Thanks Pete.

I try to maintain the principles of releasing my textures only from my site or the appropriate VA site with the very occassional release by me through a major site like this one.   For example to help along a great Aussie site http://www.aussim.com.au I released exclusively three C130 RAAF textures - which came out very well.

Dave, I can do the weathered metal look, have done it many times in the past, but people still like me to push the reflective effects so I lean toward that most often for my metal work.

I will do a tinker with a metal effect similiar to what you seek and as a favour to Simviation I will release the texture exclusively through them to repay Pete for his time and effort and to repay all of the good simmers here that supported my outlook on the current issue.

Now all I have to do is see which aircraft I will do the artwork on..........

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Reply #25 - Jan 20th, 2004 at 11:21am

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Thank You very much Garry! I Look foward to its release. How great it is to see a problem have such a rewarding ending. Thanks again Garry and Happy Flyings!!!

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