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Jan 18th, 2004 at 11:33am

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I saw this on Discovery Wings and couldn't believe it was possible.

When one reviews the encyclopedic range of accomplishments by the C-130 Hercules and its valiant aircrews over the years, surely one of the most astounding took place in October 1963 when the U.S. Navy decided to try to land a Hercules on an aircraft carrier. Was it possible? Who would believe that the big, four-engine C-130 with its bulky fuselage and 132-foot wing span could land on the deck of a carrier?

Not only was it possible, it was done in moderately rough seas 500 miles out in the North Atlantic off the coast of Boston. In so doing, the airplane became the largest and heaviest aircraft to ever land on an aircraft carrier, a record that stands to this day.

When Lt. James H. Flatley III was told about his new assignment, he thought somebody was pulling his leg. "Operate a C-130 off an aircraft carrier? Somebody's got to be kidding," he said. But they weren't kidding. In fact, the Chief of Naval Operations himself had ordered a feasibility study on operating the big propjet aboard the Norfolk-based U.S.S. Forrestal (CVA-59). The Navy was trying to find out whether they could use the Hercules as a "Super COD" - a "Carrier Onboard Delivery" aircraft.

 

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Reply #1 - Jan 18th, 2004 at 3:35pm

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yep it's possible, but only with JATO (jet assisted take off). the C-130 Fat Albert used by the Blue Angels does it all the time at airshows...it uses two rocket booster for a very short take off  Wink
 

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Reply #2 - Jan 18th, 2004 at 4:33pm

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The aircraft, a KC-130F refueler transport (BuNo 149798 ), on loan from the U.S. Marines, was delivered on 8 October. Lockheed's only modifications to the original plane included installing a smaller nose-landing gear orifice, an improved anti-skid braking system, and removal of the underwing refueling pods. "The big worry was whether we could meet the maximum sink rate of nine feet per second," Flatley said. As it turned out, the Navy was amazed to find they were able to better this mark by a substantial margin.

In addition to Flatley, the crew consisted of Lt.Cmdr. W.W. Stovall, copilot; ADR-1 E.F. Brennan, flight engineer; and Lockheed engineering flight test pilot Ted H. Limmer, Jr. The initial sea-born landings on 30 October 1963 were made into a 40-knot wind. Altogether, the crew successfully negotiated 29 touch-and-go landings, 21 unarrested full-stop landings, and 21 unassisted takeoffs at gross weights of 85,000 pounds up to 121,000 pounds. At 85,000 pounds, the KC-130F came to a complete stop within 267 feet, about twice the aircraft's wing span! The Navy was delighted to discover that even with a maximum payload, the plane used only 745 feet for takeoff and 460 feet for landing roll. The short landing roll resulted from close coordination between Flatley and Jerry Daugherty, the carrier's landing signal officer. Daugherty, later to become a captain and assigned to the Naval Air Systems Command, gave Flatley an engine "chop" while still three or four feet off the deck.

Lockheed's Ted Limmer, who checked out fighter pilot Flatley in the C-130, stayed on for some of the initial touch-and-go and full-stop landings. "The last landing I participated in, we touched down about 150 feet from the end, stopped in 270 feet more and launched from that position, using what was left of the deck. We still had a couple hundred feet left when we lifted off. Admiral Brown was flabbergasted."

The plane's wingspan cleared the Forrestal's flight deck "island" control tower by just under 15 feet as the plane roared down the deck on a specially painted line. Lockheed's chief engineer, Art E. Flock was aboard to observe the testing. "The sea was pretty big that day. I was up on the captain's bridge. I watched a man on the ship's bow as that bow must have gone up and down 30 feet." The speed of the shop was increased 10 knots to reduce yaw motion and to reduce wind direction. Thus, when the plane landed, it had a 40 to 50 knot wind on the nose. "That airplane stopped right opposite the captain's bridge," recalled Flock. "There was cheering and laughing. There on the side of the fuselage, a big sign had been painted on that said, "LOOK MA, NO HOOK."

From the accumulated test data, the Navy concluded that with the C-130 Hercules, it would be possible to lift 25,000 pounds of cargo 2,500 miles and land it on a carrier. Even so, the idea was considered a bit too risky for the C-130 and the Navy elected to use a smaller COD aircraft. For his effort, the Navy awarded Flatley the Distinguished Flying Cross.


 

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Reply #3 - Jan 18th, 2004 at 6:06pm

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And in WWII there are storys of British aircraft carriers going too fast for Swordfish to land on them. That is to say, out running the aircraft. Grin
 

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Reply #4 - Jan 18th, 2004 at 6:26pm

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And in WWII there are storys of British aircraft carriers going too fast for Swordfish to land on them. That is to say, out running the aircraft. Grin


Thing is...this really happened. It was documented with Navy camera men and the video (clips) are available on-line.

I'm waiting on Ozzy to try this...if it can be done in the real world...Ozzy can do it in the sim world...lol.

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Reply #5 - Jan 18th, 2004 at 6:42pm

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Thing is...this really happened. It was documented with Navy camera men and the video (clips) are available on-line.

I'm waiting on Ozzy to try this...if it can be done in the real world...Ozzy can do it in the sim world...lol.

Grin

Remember people have landed 747's on carriers in FS. With and with out Arrcab. My guess is he's already done it. If not then someone will have.
 

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Reply #6 - Jan 18th, 2004 at 7:25pm

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Truly amazing!!!
Out of all the stuff I have read or seen on aircraft this one some how passed me by?
Mr Bones mentioned the use of rocket boosters, I don't see any in the photographs?
Were they used when they did this?
 
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Reply #7 - Jan 18th, 2004 at 8:08pm

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Truly amazing!!!
Out of all the stuff I have read or seen on aircraft this one some how passed me by?
Mr Bones mentioned the use of rocket boosters, I don't see any in the photographs?
Were they used when they did this?


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Here's a color picture of the takeoff. No JATO was used.
 

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Johann Wolfgang von Goethe - “There is nothing worse than aggressive stupidity.”

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Reply #8 - Jan 18th, 2004 at 8:14pm

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The video clips are available at-
http://www.cgaux.com/C-130carrierlanding.htm

Scroll to the bottom of the page.
 

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Reply #9 - Jan 19th, 2004 at 6:10am

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Thing is...this really happened. It was documented with Navy camera men and the video (clips) are available on-line.


Bit of a headwind and no problem - a carrier going at 15-20kts, +headwind of 15-20kts and you have the forerunner of the Harrier in no time at all...

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Reply #10 - Jan 19th, 2004 at 6:42am

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This just goes to prove what an excellent aircraft the C-130 is. It was once stated quite seriously that the only possible replacement for a C-130 would be a C-130. I've seen its short take-off & landing capablities demonstrated many times on conventional runways so the fact that it's possible on a moving aircraft carrier steaming at full speed into a 40 knot wind does not surprise me at all. I assume that it was not fully loaded. The main thing to take into account would be the size of the aircraft itself as it's much larger than anything usually operated from a carrier.
 

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Reply #11 - Jan 19th, 2004 at 7:02am

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This just goes to prove what an excellent aircraft the C-130 is


Very true Smiley

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It was once stated quite seriously that the only possible replacement for a C-130 would be a C-130.


The RAF certainly thought so! Smiley

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Reply #12 - Jan 19th, 2004 at 12:55pm

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Now THAT is BOK!!!!
In 2k2 with ArrCab I've got the An-225 down on the deck (pity about that island Grin).
Hmm maybe some new exciting challenges await me 8)

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Reply #13 - Jan 19th, 2004 at 2:50pm

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Hmm maybe some new exciting challenges await me 8)
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LOL...I sort of figured that.  Grin

OK....now it's my turn for a braincramp  Embarrassed

What is BOK?  Roll Eyes

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Johann Wolfgang von Goethe - “There is nothing worse than aggressive stupidity.”

Mark Twain - “Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.”
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Reply #14 - Feb 3rd, 2004 at 1:25am
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If memory serves me correctly, the TV show JAG had an eppisode on this type of landing, it was a good eppisode jag.s09e05 . look for it and enjoy.  Grin 187. Touchdown (10/24/2003)

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Reply #15 - Feb 4th, 2004 at 10:33am

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yeah, saw the show and wasn't sure if it could be done in real life...

I guess so!  Cheesy
 
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