Simviation Forum - Land of Giants...

Reply #15 - Jan 17^th, 2004 at 9:54pm

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EDIT: This is the first time I ever trolled.

Make it the last. Wink

Posting drivel here since Jan 31st, 2002. - That long!

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Reply #16 - Jan 18^th, 2004 at 12:07am

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I agree the CFS3 scenery looks stupid!!!!
I haven´t seen houses (taling about the autogen)
like this anywhere in the world they are way too
small and from the distance the towns and cities look more like a soldiers cemetary to me.
I have both CFS3 & IL-2FB an I like both of
them although I do prefer IL-2 !
I actually consider CFS3 a game and
Forgotten Battles a simulation , and haven´t
flown a real warbird myself I can only say that
IL-2 gives me a more `flying feeling´ than
CFS.

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Reply #17 - Jan 18^th, 2004 at 12:27am

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Uhhhhh..... Here we go again. Roll Eyes

This time, I'm no longer getting involved. These CFS3 topics have screwed up my judgement. Time to keep my distance.

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Reply #18 - Jan 18^th, 2004 at 5:03am

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Thanks guys! This thread has been pure entertainment LOL!

Will

Who switched the lights off? I can't see a thing....... Hold on, my eyes were closed. Oops, my bad...............&&

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Reply #19 - Jan 18^th, 2004 at 12:04pm

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[sarcasm]

Hey Smoke, you want some pop corn to go along with your enjoyment? Wink

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Reply #20 - Jan 18^th, 2004 at 12:39pm

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Yes please, and a large coke as well.

Will Wink

Who switched the lights off? I can't see a thing....... Hold on, my eyes were closed. Oops, my bad...............&&

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Reply #21 - Jan 18^th, 2004 at 2:56pm

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Nobby, I am calling your statement a line of BS regarding any pilot prefering IL-2 flight models. I have seen threads by real pilots and in evry single one they claim if IL-2 was a real FM, the ground would be littered with wrecked planes. They 100% agree that the 1% FM in CFS3 are by far the only FM in any combat sim that comes close to how real airplanes fly. I conceede, many prefer the game IL-2 FB because it runs better and has other things just easier to use. But I have not seen a thread by a "real" pilot ever say the IL-2 FM was real. If you can get one on here, I am sure there would be a bunch of real pilots to test to make sure he is not some make believe pilot that just wants to troll with you.
If IL-2 were as good as you say, you would not be here trashing CFS3. We that love it, do enough of that ourselves but, building, fixing, adding, tweaking etc is more fun than playing a game. We are making CFS3 into the best Combat Sim there has ever been, WE the people, not a transplant from a failed military cashing in because our guys are still on the job in the USAF.
Wulfmann

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Reply #22 - Jan 18^th, 2004 at 4:42pm

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Kahatu, i'm glad you've seen the light. Anyone who goes to IL2 forums to brag about CFS3 should be shot. I am quite sure that no one from these forums would stoop so low as to do that sort of thing. Everyone is entitiled to their opinions, however, sometimes you need to know when and when not to express it. People should be allowed to make they're own decisions on what simulators they play and what they think about them. They do not need people to make them for them. Wink

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Reply #23 - Jan 18^th, 2004 at 6:08pm

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I like the online portion of IL-2. Great servers. There are some servers that are still operating and rely on donations in order to be maintained.

The downside to playing online is that anyone who enters a server with a 56k connection has the habit of lagging the sessions. They are then kicked out.

I have 56k and I hate being the culprit who lags things. Embarrassed

EDIT: I think there are a few individuals here who brag about CFS3 but rarely show themselves. There are 10,000+ memebers here, correct? Then why do I see a small veriaty of ppl here talking? What are the rest doing?

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Reply #24 - Jan 18^th, 2004 at 6:18pm

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Well, a lot of people sign up, post one or two posts on a problem they have and then they leave. We are the ones who could not escape.

Woodlouse2002 PITA and BAR!!!!!!!!&&&&Our Sovereign Lord the King chargeth and commandeth all persons, being assembled, immediately to disperse themselves, and peaceably to depart to their habitations, or to their lawful business, upon the pains contained in the Act made in the first year of King George the First for preventing tumults and riotous assemblies. God Save the King.&&&&Viva la revolution!

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Reply #25 - Jan 18^th, 2004 at 10:15pm

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Bob-Ruff..My you seen to have your knickers in a twist.
never mind about what you read, it's knowing, talking to in person, as well as being very much with WW2 aircraft that gives me the right to say what I did.
This is for CFS in general. As I said, 1 and 2 are pretty good, I never said otherwise, CFS3 has some good points, BUT there are many bad..sure IL2 and ILFB is not perfect..nothing is, but flying is for fun, I dont worry if the 'sim' model does not behave exactly like the real thing, you never going to get that I dont care what you say. I may be close, but never 100% like realy flying..
It never was my intention to 'slag' CFS3, I have made my own personel points of view..you know, what's that saying...Freedom Of Speech..
I.m sorry if you and any others don't understand that.
If you think that CFS3 is good, thats fine by me..but I don't ok...
May you 'Tweak till the cows come home my friend'.. 8)

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Reply #26 - Jan 18^th, 2004 at 10:57pm

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Yours is an admission by omission of the fact you claimed "real" pilots said the FM in IL-2 was more to real than CFS3 so that made it a stalemate. WRONG! I called you out to make the most important point with regards to your calling CFS3 a game and IL-2 a sim. Wrong! IL-2 is what you say, I do agree. It runs better, requires little frustration, it is much easier to do and is by far the better game. But, when we say simulator, we are refering to something that simulates and the flight models (actually the MS ones suck big time) by Aviation History and others using those tools, are the closest to actually flying these planes as real planes as have yet been done. That was my point which you tried to slip past and on to trashing CFS3. You got caught on the fight models and I an just making a big deal out of it so there is no question. CFS3 with 1% aircraft are the closest thing to flying a real WWII fighter. Period. After that, you are mostly right with regards IL-2 FB being a much better done package than the rushed to stores with more wrong than any sim in historyMS cranky needed the whole world to save CFS3. You have a right to your opinion and the right to state the obvious but, saying IL-2 has better FMs ruins any chance of any argument being credible with anyone that has some knowledge on the subject.
Wulfmann

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Reply #27 - Jan 18^th, 2004 at 11:36pm

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I like to point out something that I completely overlooked as I ignorantly bragged about IL-2.

What I overlooked was X-Plane.

It may not look good in terms of graphics, but that was not the creator's intention. X-Plane, SEEMS to have the best FM's there is.

The FM's are what made this particular sim famous among companies who like to test their radical designs.

CFS and X-Plane both use the so-called "Blade-Element Theory". However, each sim uses it in a completely different way.

All of M$'s FS and CFS series uses the theory in a way that requires a ton of info. If you make a addon aircraft for it, you have punch in values that indicate wingspan, AoA, AoI, station loads, etc. etc. etc.

X-Plane uses the theory in a new way. Instead of having to manually punch in numbers, the sim does it for you. You just need to state what the basic dimensions are and the sim will analyse the visual model but cutting it down in segments and determins how much lift each segment produces, and so on.

There really are companies that are using X-Plane to test their models instead of M$'s products.

M$'s products SEEM to be intended for students doing flight training and such and for common people who like eye-candy while X-Plane is intended to see how flight models behaive when flying even though it LACKS eye-candy and online play.

You can correct me if I'm wrong.

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Reply #28 - Jan 19^th, 2004 at 5:37pm

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I believe that the Flight Unlimited series had very realistic flight dynamics. Especially Flight Unlimited III. They actually simulated the airflow over the wings and control surfaces to make them fly as realistically as possible.

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Reply #29 - Jan 20^th, 2004 at 8:12pm

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Bob_Ruff ...You leave me with no other choice then to demand a duel at dawn behind the bike shed..
I have the choice of weapons...
My choice are Toothpicks at 30 paces...

And as a bonus for you I will have one eye closed and one leg stapped behind my back.. 8)

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