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Reply #30 - Jan 6th, 2004 at 4:56pm

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Cricket was always a class-conscious game. Gentlemen & Players with the Players being the ordinary working man. This is not so apparent now.  There were many famous Players in professional cricket, Fred Trueman to name but one.

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My problem with the game was simple, it didnt matter how good of a player i was, because of where i went to school i would never have had a chance to play profesionally, and that made me just not care enough to study the game. sadly the selectors of the game have ruined it.

Being a pro cricketer isn't everything. It's actually a very risky career & not too many make any sort of living at it. The main problem is that most schools in Britain don't encourage competitive team games at all now. This is very serious. Due to the politically correct lobby there are very few school cricket teams these days. This is where the professional players came from in the past.

Ian Botham & Graham Gooch were brilliant players but they're mere youngsters compared with the true greats of the game. I can remember when they first played for England which wasn't that long ago. Grin
 

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Reply #31 - Jan 6th, 2004 at 5:00pm

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  Is it any different than here in the U.S.  Think of all the kids across the nation that play baseball evey summer and look at how many actully make it to the majors!!  Don't you think that a kid like Bobby Bond's son, Berry, got a leg up when being scouted.  Yes, a nobody kid from Podunk can make it to the Pros, but he's gotta be really, really good.
 
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Reply #32 - Jan 6th, 2004 at 5:06pm

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its a very selective game, although like hagar said its not so noticable these days, but even a few years ago, players wouldnt be selected from your average school, its a higher class game. And like i said it doesnt matter how good you are if you dont goto these posh schools and colleges your chances of getting picked are slim to none. Thats why i never bothered to play in college, the short time i was there..
In the US you stand a good chance of being scouted into a bigger university from say a small community college, and then the pros obviously scout you from there, long process but it doesnt matter if your from the lower classes.
 
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Reply #33 - Jan 6th, 2004 at 5:11pm

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  Another reason why the U.S. is a great place to live!
 
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Reply #34 - Jan 6th, 2004 at 5:13pm

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and the reason i am gonna be going to college there this fall.
 
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Reply #35 - Jan 8th, 2004 at 11:08am

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I never figured out why you guys take all this stuff so seriously. It's only a game for goodness sake. Shocked
A load of overpaid, overgrown schoolboys running around a field chasing a ball for a few minutes. Roll Eyes



Don't even try to mention that during a UF/FSU or FSU/Miami or UF/Georgia football game ..  For many people, these games are crucial battles emotionally at a par with Agincourt, Waterloo, Somme, Stalingrad, etc.  the Fates of Bragging Rights are at stake!
 

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Reply #36 - Jan 8th, 2004 at 12:10pm

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Don't even try to mention that during a UF/FSU or FSU/Miami or UF/Georgia football game ..  For many people, these games are crucial battles emotionally at a par with Agincourt, Waterloo, Somme, Stalingrad, etc.  the Fates of Bragging Rights are at stake!

I haven't lost all marbles just yet. At least, I still had a few when I last checked. ??? Roll Eyes
That's why I sit here & make fun from a safe distance - I hope. Roll Eyes

We have exactly the same situation here with proper football supporters - that's soccer to you lot on that side of the big puddle. Tongue
These guys are practised in all the not-so-gentle arts of unarmed & sometimes armed combat. I wouldn't dare tangle with them myself. Shocked
 

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Reply #37 - Jan 8th, 2004 at 12:46pm

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I haven't lost all marbles just yet. At least, I still had a few when I last checked. ??? Roll Eyes
That's why I sit here & make fun from a safe distance - I hope. Roll Eyes

We have exactly the same situation here with proper football supporters - that's soccer to you lot on that side of the big puddle. Tongue
These guys are practised in all the not-so-gentle arts of unarmed & sometimes armed combat. I wouldn't dare tangle with them myself. Shocked


On the other hand, I agree that proper football has an overall advantage over the US football - Everybody participates - fans, spectators - I believe that sometimes the "action" is in the stands and not in the field!

The best sports-related bumper sticker I've seen spelled out: "Give Blood - Play Rugby!"
 

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Reply #38 - Jan 8th, 2004 at 1:56pm

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  We've all heard about 'soccer hooligans'.  Makes you wonder how many people go there to support their team and how many go there just to fight?

  And talk about taking your spot to heart, didn't Uruguay and Paraguay go to war over a soccer game?  There must be something about soccer that brings about the worst in people.
  Come to think of it, didn't the origins of soccer have something to do with someone digging up an enemies skull and out of anger for that enemy began kicking it around?  And becouse it was a skull nobody wanted to touch it, thus the "no hands" rule?  Alas poor Yorick!!

  Old joke that could apply, "Once I went to a fight and a soccer game broke out!!"
 
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Reply #39 - Jan 8th, 2004 at 2:40pm

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The best sports-related bumper sticker I've seen spelled out: "Give Blood - Play Rugby!"

Rugby is a tough game & played all-out on the pitch but both players & supporters are generally well-behaved. It's more of a family game & supporters of both sides are usually quite safe mixed in together.

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We've all heard about 'soccer hooligans'.  Makes you wonder how many people go there to support their team and how many go there just to fight?

You got that about right, The genuine soccer supporter is passionate but OK. As usual, it's the minority that spoil it for everone. Roll Eyes
 

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Reply #40 - Jan 8th, 2004 at 2:42pm

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 And talk about taking your spot to heart, didn't Uruguay and Paraguay go to war over a soccer game?  


El Salvador/Honduras - the soccer game was the spark that lit a simmering border conflict.  The Salvadorean team won a game in Honduras, and the fans, well, "were not friendly to each other".  Name calling escalated to border incursions with results that you had the last piston engine warplane dogfights - Corsairs (on both sides) vs Mustangs ...

Note that in the last countries that had Mustangs and Corsairs as first line equipment, they were retired not because of their unpopularity or "to get better equipment" but because getting spares was getting to be difficult.
 

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Reply #41 - Jan 8th, 2004 at 2:43pm

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Rugby is stil a gentemens game in my eyes. People seem to respect each other when they are playing Rugby and I even heard the ref at the cup final game sayin "Now look here chaps...." Grin
 
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Reply #42 - Jan 8th, 2004 at 3:05pm

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If Rugby players are like they used to be they bash the heck out of each other on the pitch & then have a piss- booze-up together in the bar after the game. Wink
 

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