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Dec 21st, 2003 at 7:54am

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I thought id make a little topic so that anyone who wants can make suggestions, comments or requests as I go along.

I have just finnished the basic groundwork polygons and am just about to start on the custom objects in EOD to give it some shape.

Edit: Updated Pictures, got rid of the taxiway roads and added macros (Untextured)

Edit2: Replaced pictures with updated ones, a couple with custom textures and more added including the old terminal bulding.


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Reply #1 - Dec 21st, 2003 at 12:26pm

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The custom macros so far, Ive done the Main terminal, tower, bristol flying centeand a large hangar.

Edit- New macros done updated pictures, Ill get this organised better tomorrow - good night!!

Edit2- Removed pictures
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Reply #2 - Dec 21st, 2003 at 3:40pm

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Well done Bird man. I have no suggestions other than carry on as you are. You seem to be doing just fine without my interference, not that I could help anyway. I think your hard work deserves a little encouragement which is the reason for this reply. Wink

PS. Just be careful not to exceed the forum image limit. Nothing to do with me but it would be a shame to see any removed.
 

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Reply #3 - Dec 21st, 2003 at 5:37pm

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Thanks Hagar, Laying down the ground stuff was the easy bit! Now Im doing the easiest macros to start with and going on to the harder one's!!!

I think doing the Textures is going to be the hardest bit so I just left them this green colour so I can see it all taking shape. Do you know of a tutorial on how to make textures? I haven't tried experimenting with anything yet but a tutorial would make things much easier! I guess the only way to see is to jump in the deep end and try.....


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PS. Just be careful not to exceed the forum image limit. Nothing to do with me but it would be a shame to see any removed.

It was getting abit close! Ive uploaded the new ones in 640 so I can post more!!
 
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Reply #4 - Dec 21st, 2003 at 6:29pm

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I think doing the Textures is going to be the hardest bit so I just left them this green colour so I can see it all taking shape. Do you know of a tutorial on how to make textures? I haven't tried experimenting with anything yet but a tutorial would make things much easier! I guess the only way to see is to jump in the deep end and try.....

That's the method I've always used. You will already know the basic texture sizes & formats to use. I find that photos of buildings come in handy for scenery object textures, either off the web or take your own. Good luck.  Wink
 

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Reply #5 - Dec 21st, 2003 at 7:38pm

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looking good so far:)
LOL just to really have fun try figuring where the extended runways going:) and the new terminal, the runway either goes off that drop which would mean a good downhill burst of speed, or they gotta bury the road lol sure this is giving you enough headaches as it is:)
keep up the good work looking forward to seeing the finished product
 
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Reply #6 - Dec 22nd, 2003 at 3:57am

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Well knowing the runway at bristol they wont bother flattening it!!!!

- I think it'll be a few years before they do anything wont it? They'll need a public inquiry huge protest's etc so ill think well be able to see exactly where everything is going to go when the plans are made public. Which will be great cause I will finally be able to see what the airport really looks like with some decent ariel views which will be shown on the news.

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bury the road lol sure this is giving you enough headaches as it is

It sure is, Im leaving the mesh till last. I can't seem to find a program which will work - and none of the programs come with anysort of tutorial/Help file! Dont be surprised if there isn't any mesh around but I will certainly get rid of the great big spit of land going out for about 5 miles in FS! Perhaps Hagar will know whether its possible to create a simple mesh with FSSC?

Do you think that the walkway in front of the terminal needs to be bigger? Looks a bit piddly to me at the moment!

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That's the method I've always used. You will already know the basic texture sizes & formats to use. I find that photos of buildings come in handy for scenery object textures, either off the web or take your own. Good luck.

I think before I do any more buildings I shall have a go.
 
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Reply #7 - Dec 22nd, 2003 at 4:04am

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Hagar, what are the specs again? Ive got 256 colours 8bit, but is there a certain size and resolution to use?
 
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Reply #8 - Dec 22nd, 2003 at 4:12am

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Hi Bird man. I assume you're using EOD. It's been a while & I forget the recommended texture size & format - FS textures are usually standard sizes & square, 256 x 256, 512 x 512 etc. You might be able to use larger hi-res textures in an FS Extended BMP format rather than 8 bit. Let me know if this helps. If you have any problems I'm sure we can figure it out. Wink

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Perhaps Hagar will know whether its possible to create a simple mesh with FSSC?

I'm sure this is not possible. As you already know, there are special utilities for creating terrain mesh. I always found Martin Wright's stuff easier to use than most. If you haven't done so it might be worth trying his FSTerrain 2002. http://www.mnwright.btinternet.co.uk/programs/fstrn.htm
RollerBall knows far more about this than me.
 

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Reply #9 - Dec 22nd, 2003 at 5:32am

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hi Bird, this runway argument has had pleanty of hearings and meetings, and as usual its always the people who have only just moved to the area that complain the most. Same goes for the noise, which as you know isnt that bad anyway, but ah well, the runway will be built in the end, but could be at least 5 years before work begins though.
 
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Reply #10 - Dec 22nd, 2003 at 1:16pm

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Does that look anything like the old terminal CraigL? The Pictures I have show a mangle of buildings (which is probably what its like in realife!) and it was impossible to work it out, so I did my best!

I did some custom textures!!! It actually worked!!! One of them came out a bit pink so Ill have to redo it. I have to say that Paint shop pro is amazing!

Im beginning to churn macros out quite quickly now, just a few more main ones to do and Im done (unless there are any absolute screamers which Ive missed), I dont want to do too many more as it may begin to slow the FPS rate, but I flew over it in a Shorts 360 ( Wink) and it never went below 23 (locked at 25 - no AI) even if I flew close to the buildings so thats good.

Well - back to EOD I go!
 
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Reply #11 - Dec 22nd, 2003 at 1:47pm

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its looking good, but i dont remember the old terminal going in steps just two levels one for the terminal then the tower on top, its been a while though, i am hoping to get a flying lesson after christmas so i will gets some pics while flying over the airport if i do get a lesson, and post them for you so you can update it as nessicary
 
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Reply #12 - Dec 22nd, 2003 at 1:59pm

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Good Idea, it would be great if you could....

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This is what I'm going on, I thought the red beam indicated another floor. Ill leave it as it is now and as you say update it if needs be. Theres that funny little control tower to the left in the picture which needs doing.
 
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Reply #13 - Dec 22nd, 2003 at 2:04pm

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the old terminal is somethign that i cant help to well with, it has been a very long time since i have been in there, infact it was at least 6 months before it was closed, and problem is when i was working there, alot of the time was spent indoors and you cant see much in the way of the airfield from the dining area. And when it was my lessons, i was to busy concentrating on taxing and take off to be able to get much info of the buildings, next time i will le instructor to taxi, so i can get an up close picture of the airfield
 
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Reply #14 - Dec 22nd, 2003 at 2:05pm

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It's up to you Craig but I wouldn't even think of taking a camera with me on a flying lesson. It's a really nice offer but I'm sure Bird man will appreciate that you should be concentrating on one thing only. What the instructor is telling you. Not possible to do that & take photos at the same time. IMHO
 

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Reply #15 - Dec 22nd, 2003 at 2:10pm

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Hi Doug.
The instructors have always said, if i ever want to take pictures, then to just say so and they will take control and have even taken some pictures of me at the controls. But my best bet is to get them done at the begining of the lessons and at the begining of learning before the real tough stuff starts. as you know flying can be amazingly tiring even for a 1 hour flight, so to be able to take 5 mins break and also get some pics is always a good thing:)
In the end it will be one of those, if the chance comes up to take the pictures i will do so. if not nothing i can do.
 
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OK Craig. You're paying for it. Wink
 

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Reply #17 - Dec 22nd, 2003 at 2:32pm

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I should concentrate on your lesson CraigL! Im sure its not worth all the bother just for one little bit in a bit of Flight simulator scenery!
 
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Reply #18 - Dec 22nd, 2003 at 2:38pm

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like i said if the opportunity is there, i will take it. The lesson will be nothing more than a get back into it thing before i move, its been a year since i last flew looking in my logbook, and obviously i would like to have a refresher before i start the bulk.
 
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Reply #19 - Dec 22nd, 2003 at 2:44pm

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Don't take too much notice of me. Things have obviously changed a lot since my day. When I worked for a flying club most instruction was in 30 minute lessons. 1 hour would have been considered far too long for the average pupil to take it all in. Working on this principle we had many pupils qualify in the minmum 30 hours. I was ready to go solo after 4 hrs 25 minutes dual.

PS. I already had my gliding licence & taxyed the club aircraft as part of my job which obviously made a difference.
 

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Reply #20 - Dec 22nd, 2003 at 2:47pm

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thirty minute lessons would be nice, it would be alot cheaper and could be broken down s as to suit each student better. However 1 hour seems to be the current trend and on my second flight my instructor actually asked if i wanted to continue for a second hour, if i could have afforded it i prob would.
 
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Reply #21 - Dec 22nd, 2003 at 4:38pm

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Id love to have a go at flying...... How old do you have to be?
 
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Reply #22 - Dec 22nd, 2003 at 4:41pm

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your old enough now
but need to be 17 maybe 18 cant remember right now, to get license
 
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Reply #23 - Dec 24th, 2003 at 7:35am

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Here is what I have done the last two days, Its taken me ages to get the tower textures even close to looking right - It still looks rubbish Sad Im afraid however it will have to do... The macros I am quite pleased with but then I wreck them when I put my textures on Sad

Oh well, at least it looks more real then the default bristol....  Sad
 
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Reply #24 - Dec 24th, 2003 at 7:38am

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thats looking amazing dude:)
even seem to have the windows on the BFC very accurate:)
keep up the good work
 
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Reply #25 - Dec 24th, 2003 at 9:23am

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Looking great. Well done. Cheesy

Maybe when it's finished you could have a shot at Shoreham. I keep threatening to have a go myself but doubt this will ever happen.
 

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Reply #26 - Dec 24th, 2003 at 9:27am

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ya want to be real accurate there a small blue and glass door in between the 2nd and 3rd lower windows from right(its no big deal really)Smiley and also right next to the BFC is a security gate to allow access for the fire trucks
 
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Reply #27 - Dec 24th, 2003 at 10:25am

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I guess its not too bad Smiley

The problem is I am having to make the textures from one pixel off my pictures, I zoom in really far then pick the pixel that looks the most like the overall colour. Then I fill the whole PSP image with that colour and apply texture effects.

This works ok except windows are pretty difficult! But this is the first time of using PSP so Im gaining some useful experiance! The tower was difficult to do because I can't find an effect to do a metallic finish to grey anywhere, I found a chrome variant colour thing but in FS it just looks grey and white. Ill change the glass texture for the tower I think though!

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Maybe when it's finished you could have a shot at Shoreham

I was thinking more of retiring Grin - Ill finish this one then think about other things then.

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there a small blue and glass door in between the 2nd and 3rd lower windows from right

Ill give that ago! I saw what looks like a turquoise door in my picture but I was'nt sure.. In fact I was going to ask you!

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right next to the BFC is a security gate to allow access for the fire trucks

I don't know about these kinds of things, I think that unless they are done really well in scenery they just look messy. If I did that then I would have to do all the little things like that. A, I don't think its worth it considering the amount of work involved and B, It would make too much of an impact on FPS, combined with a decent level of AI at bristol. Perhaps a few vehicles around the place but Im afraid I can't do any more then that.
 
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Reply #28 - Dec 24th, 2003 at 11:04am

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lol i was only kidding about the gate:)
 
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Reply #29 - Dec 24th, 2003 at 3:09pm

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Roll Eyes
 
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Reply #30 - Dec 25th, 2003 at 11:50am

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Guess what I got for Christmas!!!
 
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Reply #31 - Dec 25th, 2003 at 5:00pm

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flying lesson?(if so i have some info i could give ya)
A guided tour of bristol airport
urmmm something else:)
 
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Reply #32 - Dec 25th, 2003 at 5:41pm

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flying lesson?

How did you guess!  Wink

I don't think its with the Bristol Flying centre, its with Bristol and Wessex Airoplane club I think. I've always wanted to have a go - Just got to get well first Cry!

In the meantime I shall have a go at the Flight simulator coarse and see how I do Embarrassed. I shall have to fly now with crashes on so I can see the limitations of a cessna! - I pitty the people at the airport. Shocked......
 
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Reply #33 - Dec 25th, 2003 at 5:50pm

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your gonna have a great time thats for sure:)
flight sim will never be the same again lol
 
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Reply #34 - Jan 24th, 2004 at 11:40am

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http://www.uk2000scenery.bizland.com/puplic/eggd.htm

not that good but thought it might help
 
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Reply #35 - Jan 24th, 2004 at 11:46am

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looks ok. But i do have to admit Birdmans looks alot better, with more of the accurate buildings in it. Plus its free:)
 
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Reply #36 - Jan 24th, 2004 at 12:40pm

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Bear in mind sudol the pictures on this thread were taken when I first started it! The newest pics are available on this page:

http://www.simviation.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=scn;action=display;num=107...

I have taken a little brake for a week or so so I could do some flying and am in the prosses of transferring everything to my new PC.

Ill put some new pics up in a few days when I am all sorted!
 
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