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Reply #30 - Jan 7th, 2004 at 3:42pm

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I currently have a P4 2.0 with 1 GIG of ram, 256 Nvidia 5200 and I just bought a P4 3.0 chip with 800Mhz bus w/hyperthread. With everything but the CPU being the same, should I see a substantial increase in performance? My current MOBO is capable of handling this new chip.
 
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Reply #31 - Jan 7th, 2004 at 4:10pm

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Now that one of you people have mentioned the dark side of the AMD64, I am now keeping my distance [and my wallet] from the AMD64.

I'll be sticking with my trusted Pentium 4 processor with 2.4Ghz. And I'll be keeping an eye on Microsoft. If they dump the 32-bit tradition, then we'll probably start complaining since most of use can't even afford the AMD64 yet.

From now on, I should have done this before, I am NOT going to buy any of Microsoft's FS products unless the majority of you people are almost completely satisfied with it. If I hear about a glitch, then I'll have my douts.

I'll start waiting one month after each release to confirm the performance.
 
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Reply #32 - Jan 7th, 2004 at 5:21pm

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I currently have a P4 2.0 with 1 GIG of ram, 256 Nvidia 5200 and I just bought a P4 3.0 chip with 800Mhz bus w/hyperthread. With everything but the CPU being the same, should I see a substantial increase in performance? My current MOBO is capable of handling this new chip.


If like mine, your p4 is an early variant with 256k L2 Cache, then jumping to the 512k Cache alone will bring a big jump in performance..... add an 800fsb (Double the earlier P4's & Celerons) and, well, I think you can guess, it'll be just a bit better again.......   Wink

Are you SURE your board will really support the 800FSB? most boards don't!!!

I'm assuming you want "true" support of the 800FSB, thus, I'd be ensuring your board is either a "Springdale" or "Canterwood" chipset otherwise, I doubt you'll get the best from that chip at all!

Post some detailed system specs, I'll gladly help all I can.

Dan, I had'nt realised you were dumped in the U.K. like some of us lucky others here!  Grin

Take a peek at these two places mate, nice kit, nice prices....

www.overclockers.co.uk - My Local PC shop....

www.scan.co.uk - Provided great support to a friend who blew up his p4 2.53 - they gave him a new 'un! and no questions about the 3.6 overclock that killed it either!!!!!  Shocked
In my book, thats worth a reccomendation alone!  8) 8) 8)

Paul.

P.S., I just had to include this from the Scan site.....

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3.2GHz EXTREME (PG-800FSB) OEM Intel Pentium® 4 CPU 2M Cache  £704.20
 Shocked Oh, they don't even give you a fan for that !!!  Angry


I want one..... I think.  Undecided  ???  Roll Eyes  Grin
 
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Reply #33 - Jan 8th, 2004 at 12:46am

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Holy Rip Off Batman!

I just looked at Pricewatch and saw a 3.2ghz P4 Extreme for $347 US Dollars delivered!

That's 190 British Pounds!   Not 700+  pounds!   ???

Can I please come over to England and sell Hardware to you suckers?

But Really, What the heck is up with the prices ? It wouldn't cost 2 pounds to post a CPU over to you......
 
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Reply #34 - Jan 8th, 2004 at 12:52am

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I currently have a P4 2.0 with 1 GIG of ram, 256 Nvidia 5200 and I just bought a P4 3.0 chip with 800Mhz bus w/hyperthread. With everything but the CPU being the same, should I see a substantial increase in performance? My current MOBO is capable of handling this new chip.



Hi Vagrant,

If that CPU goes into your computer and all is compatible, you are still left with an FX5200 Video card, which is no match for the rest of your system, so you will only see a very small performance gain compared to the same setup with a video engine that will use the system's power fully.
 
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Reply #35 - Jan 8th, 2004 at 3:40am

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Holy Rip Off Batman!

I just looked at Pricewatch and saw a 3.2ghz P4 Extreme for $347 US Dollars delivered!

That's 190 British Pounds!   Not 700+  pounds!   ???

Can I please come over to England and sell Hardware to you suckers?

But Really, What the heck is up with the prices ? It wouldn't cost 2 pounds to post a CPU over to you......


£700 does sound high. Anyway we have a 17.5% tax here that is why it is more expensive, but £500 more expensive... there is something wrong.
 
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Reply #36 - Jan 8th, 2004 at 3:47am

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I don't think there can be any way there was an P4 EE for that price!

(You might get a broken one just to admire it ??)
 
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Reply #37 - Jan 8th, 2004 at 7:36am

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Well go to pricewatch.com and see for yourself Bird man, why would they advertise if they don't have the product?

I bet you could get one cheaper at Ebay. I am lucky to have some Pommie mates, ( I guess  Grin),  who are involved in hardware purchases in Britain, and they seem to find bargains.
 
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Reply #38 - Jan 8th, 2004 at 9:10am

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From Pricewatch.com:

Intel (Microprocessors PC) - P4 3.2GHZ EXTREME EDITION 800FSB 478PIN 2MB BOX
Details:
-mfr. part # BX80532PG3200F; Intel Pentium 4 Processor EE
Part - CPUIN799
Updated - 1/4,  11:42 AM  TotalCost $1,066.95

I don't know what you were looking at congo!! Thats £584.12 + %17.5VAT  Shocked
 
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Reply #39 - Jan 8th, 2004 at 10:59am

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(Microprocessors PC) - P4 3.2E GHZ 800FSB 478PIN 1MB BOX
Details:
-mfr. part # BX80546PG3200E; PENTIUM 4 PROCESSOR EXTREME EDITION
Part - CPUIN798C
Updated - 1/4,  11:42 AM  TotalCost $346.95

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I guess I'm just imagining this............  ???

btw....

AHA! I see now!!! Look! This one only has 1mb of Cache on it. Typical hardware trap!

Anyone know what the 1mb version of this CPU is like? I'll bet it won't make much difference in Gaming. Maybe this CPU is a good alternative, it's certainly a lot cheaper.

Actually, I had a win like this. When I bought my current setup, I was sold an XP 2600+ (Barton core) 512k L2 cache CPU.

It turned out to be a 333mhz XP2600+ 256k L2 cache CPU.

In reality, My ripoff is actually slightly faster in Clockspeed than the Barton version and it performs great. Too great perhaps, as they have taken this cheap "bargain CPU" off the market now......   Roll Eyes
 
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Reply #40 - Jan 8th, 2004 at 1:00pm

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My apologies Congo, I had no Idea there were two different Extreme Edition P4's available - that seems like a good intermediate between the 3.2GHz P4 (512k L2 cache) and the 3.2 P4 EE (2mb L2 cache)
 
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Reply #41 - Jan 9th, 2004 at 6:32am

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Those prices take the ****.
Why not just get a dual processor system for that price, it would beat any 2MB P4 3.2GHz any day.
 
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Reply #42 - Jan 9th, 2004 at 1:18pm

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Is that literally 2CPU's in one computer?
 
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Reply #43 - Jan 9th, 2004 at 1:33pm

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Is that literally 2CPU's in one computer?

Yes it is, I have even seen a 3 Processor system  Roll Eyes Grin

IT is 3 2.4GHz Pentium chips

The one that I have seen, it was about 2 weeks ago, and it runs like a dream Smiley But it cost about $4000  Shocked (just for the processors, mobo, and vidcard) HE already had the ram.

We loaded FS2002 (that is all he has) and with max detail and all, we got about 120 FPS at KJFK (in newyork city)

With that, he has a ATI 9800 XL? well, whatever it is, it is 256 MB.

6 GB PC3200
and that is all I know about
Oh ya, it is liquid cooled (not enough room for any fans)
 
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Reply #44 - Jan 9th, 2004 at 1:45pm

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6 time my fps at Cardiff!!!!!!!
WOW Dan
Wish I had 4000$
 
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