Simviation Forum - Battle of the best: Schumacher vs the ET2000!

Reply #15 - Dec 12^th, 2003 at 12:54pm

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Reply #16 - Dec 12^th, 2003 at 1:07pm

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Pity Schumacher didn't win the lot. Then they might finally realise what a useless piece of junk the Typhoon is. Roll Eyes

PS. Can anyone tell me the name of the famous pre-WWII American madman & speedboat ace who raced an express train from Miami to New York & won? Also the name of his speedboat.

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Reply #17 - Dec 12^th, 2003 at 3:05pm

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Why is it a peice of junk?

Can you not see how useful the aircraft could be?

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Reply #18 - Dec 12^th, 2003 at 3:11pm

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Can you not see how useful the aircraft could be?

Quite frankly no. I've seen the same old nonsense too many times before. I realise I can't change your opinion any more than you can change mine. We will have to agree to disagree on that one. Wink

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Reply #19 - Dec 12^th, 2003 at 3:20pm

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Reply #20 - Dec 12^th, 2003 at 3:24pm

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its a good stop gap, till the Joint Strike Fighter becomes avaliable in 2012. The eurofighter should be able to last 9 years. its needed desperatly to replace the Jags and older tornados, but its just to old to be a long term option for the Airforce.

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Reply #21 - Dec 12^th, 2003 at 3:33pm

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Same old arguments chaps. I've heard it all before so many times, long before you were born in fact. It's always the same old story - a stopgap until something better comes along. Problem is, it never does. Shock horror. Shocked

You all know my opinions by now or should do. I've had my say & you won't get another peep out of me on this subject. Lips Sealed

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Reply #22 - Dec 12^th, 2003 at 3:43pm

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its a good stop gap...

1) Replacing the Jag and F3, it's no stop gap...

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... The eurofighter should be able to last 9 years

2) and a lot more I hope...

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Reply #23 - Dec 12^th, 2003 at 3:46pm

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LOL problem is Hagar, we had little option but to upgrade, especially with current world affairs. our aircraft are all very old, the Tornados arnt designed for air to air combat despite what the MOD wants to think, and the Harriers are generally to slow and dont carry enough weaponry to be of any real use these days(great for ground assault though) The Eurofighter is a perfect fit for the Air to Air section that we do not have, as for the JSF, its on its way, they have given themselves pleanty of time with this one. And since the US is working on it, its more likely to be sucessful.

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Reply #24 - Dec 12^th, 2003 at 3:49pm

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Howdy Charlie.
the problem is the Eurofighter is god knows how many years late, i saw it in farnborough in i think 96 might have been 97 as one of its first public displays, should have been flying by then in service i believe it was early 70s this plane was being designed.

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Reply #25 - Dec 12^th, 2003 at 3:51pm

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Never mind all that. What about my question? Tongue

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Can anyone tell me the name of the famous pre-WWII American madman & speedboat ace who raced an express train from Miami to New York & won? Also the name of his speedboat.

He was also a pilot.

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Reply #26 - Dec 12^th, 2003 at 4:41pm

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i believe it was early 70s this plane was being designed

What? no it wasn't.

It was being talked about in the late eighties and the design is still pretty new. Extremely good flight control system. Outstanding manauverability even with out TVC. Both Air to Air and Air to ground capability in one mission. I haven't seen a plane ever perform like this thing. It is by no means an out dated design. The french pulled out of the deal at the beginning of the 90's taking the design with them (it is the rafale that is outdated,) the whole thing was redesigned almost from scratch. It is an extremely competant fighter/interceptor/ground attack aircraft in tests only the F-22 barely beat it. With a program of continuous updates it will survive for a long time yet. The JSF is by no means better than the Typhoon we are getting it because it can hover (which we by the way designed pretty much all of the VTOL system for the JSF not the US)

Thats my rant but I have been following the EF for as long as I can remember and it really is promising.

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Reply #27 - Dec 12^th, 2003 at 4:48pm

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my bad the program began in the early 80's requests came in the 70's, and personally i dont think the JSF is set apart form the eurofighter because of its ability to hover, that is what sets the Harrier apart from all other aircraft.

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Reply #28 - Dec 12^th, 2003 at 4:50pm

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Ok what sets it apart is it has the ability to do VTOL work AND go supersonic.

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