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Reply #15 - Dec 6th, 2003 at 3:51am

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Ranger have you ever seen Lock Stock and Two Smoking Barrels, or Snatch. They're both Guy Ritchie movies and British. IMO some of the best  material put out in a while. American movies IMO (and I'm American mind you) are like listening to a broken record, it's the same thing over and over. Good guy vs Bad Guy--Bad Guy beats up good guy--Good Guy makes miraculous comeback---followed by cheesy 1/2 hour long fight scene--with a few sex scenes sprinkled on for good measure.
 

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Reply #16 - Dec 6th, 2003 at 3:54am

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Ok, but I never seen any Euro movie that I liked.

Maybe that's because you don't get the chance. It's not easy to persuade the US distributors to show or promote anything other than home-produced stuff.

Please don't confuse Britain with Europe. This is a common mistake with Americans & maybe the reason for the general lack of interest. There are many fine films produced in countries all over Europe but each one has its own distinctive methods & should be treated separately. The British film industry is unique. This is why directors like Spielberg often make their films here & insist on British film crews & technicians.
 

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Reply #17 - Dec 6th, 2003 at 4:13am

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Ranger have you ever seen Lock Stock and Two Smoking Barrels, or Snatch. They're both Guy Ritchie movies and British. IMO some of the best  material put out in a while. American movies IMO (and I'm American mind you) are like listening to a broken record, it's the same thing over and over. Good guy vs Bad Guy--Bad Guy beats up good guy--Good Guy makes miraculous comeback---followed by cheesy 1/2 hour long fight scene--with a few sex scenes sprinkled on for good measure.


I seen those movies at the rental store. I think I saw Snatch, its about the million dollar diamond?

I also agree how Hollywood movies are repetitive. (I'm sick of Segal movies, something bad happens then he kicks butt) Action movies follow the same plot over and over, like what you said. Pretty much love stories are always the same. There is a loving couple, the girl falls in love with some other guy, then she goes for the person she loved in the beginning.

I like how some movies poke at the repetitiveness, like Austin Powers.

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Maybe that's because you don't get the chance. It's not easy to persuade the US distributors to show or promote anything other than home-produced stuff.

Please don't confuse Britain with Europe. This is a common mistake with Americans & maybe the reason for the general lack of interest. There are many fine films produced in countries all over Europe but each one has its own distinctive methods & should be treated separately. The British film industry is unique. This is why directors like Spielberg often make their films here & insist on British film crews & technicians.


Sorry, my mistake. Please accept my apology.  Cry I'm a bit single minded when it comes to movies, 98% of the time its from Hollywood. Then its either good or bad.

I never knew, Spielberg does stuff in England.

Something I did notice was British accents in Star Wars, from George Lucas.
 
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Reply #18 - Dec 6th, 2003 at 5:36am

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"Soldier Blue" came out at about the same time as "Clockwork Orange" and thinking of Soldier Blue gives me nightmares even now for it's violence.... Shocked...!

...now Chevy Chase's "Christmas Lampoon" or "The Money Pit", etc,  films are more my idea of entertainment for a good-old laugh...!

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Reply #19 - Dec 6th, 2003 at 8:00am

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Sorry, my mistake. Please accept my apology.  Cry I'm a bit single minded when it comes to movies, 98% of the time its from Hollywood. Then its either good or bad.

I never knew, Spielberg does stuff in England.

Something I did notice was British accents in Star Wars, from George Lucas.

Don't apologise Ranger. It's not just you. Most Americans that haven't visited my country seem to have some strange ideas about it - & us. LOL Tongue

As for Star Wars. I believe all the effects for the original films were done in the British studios that pioneered the techniques used for many similar films. These studios are still in the forefront of effects today & much in demand. The cast includes famous British actors like Peter Cushing (Grand Moff Tarkin) & the late Sir Alec Guinness as Obi-Wan Kenobi. Carrie Fisher's "English" accent might be fine in the US but has been much criticised.

I can go back much further than most of you & fondly remember the great black & white classics. Films like The Dam Busters & countless Ealing comedies like "The Lavender Hill Mob" (also starring Alec Guinness) still hold their own today. One of the better war films would have to be "A Bridge Too Far". I doubt it was on general release in the US.

All the Bond films were made here & you must have seen the classic "Italian Job". Coming up to date, the Harry Potter films are made here with a British cast & scripted by a British author. I'm sure there are many more but I rarely watch films now & my memory is fading. I'm not keen on Austin Powers myself as it's typically too in-your-face for my taste in comedy. From what I saw of the first one it's a pale imitation of a British send-up like Peter Sellers & his Inspector Clouseau. I dread to think what the proposed Hollywood version of "The Italian Job" will be like. How can you possibly improve on a masterpiece? Roll Eyes

If you haven't seen them you must have heard of Gandhi & Lawrence of Arabia, two examples of the British film industry at its best. Unfortunately, films cost vast amounts of money these days & producers are reluctant to invest in anything featuring actors unknown outside the UK or Europe. This is the main reason for the decline of the industry & the popular trend in low-budget films from our studios.

The best war film ever made must be the original "Das Boot". IMHO
I imagine the subtitles would put many people off watching it but they don't detract from the fine acting & taut drama. This all-German film is an all-time classic.
 

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Reply #20 - Dec 6th, 2003 at 8:08am

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I dread to think what the proposed  Hollywood version of "The Italian Job" will be like. How can you possibly improve on a masterpiece? Roll Eyes


This proposed film as been made and released. I watched it and so long as you completely forget that the original italian job ever existed then its not too bad. However, it is exceedingly american and IMHO if you are going to put in loads of references to the original film then you cannot have a leading character called Charlie Croker. Over all if it was not called The Italian Job then it wouldn't be all that bad. Except they use new Minis which are far to big. And it takes place in america. And there are not many new ideas thrown in.
 

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Reply #21 - Dec 6th, 2003 at 8:09am

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Oh yeah, and talking about British movies. What about Monty Python and the Holy Grail? Or the Life of Brian? Or the Meaning of Life?
 

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Reply #22 - Dec 6th, 2003 at 8:21am
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Please don't confuse Britain with Europe. This is a common mistake with Americans & maybe the reason for the general lack of interest.  The British film industry is unique. This is why directors like Spielberg often make their films here & insist on British film crews & technicians.


Angry Angry Angry Angry
just because britain is an island,it doesn't mean that it's not european...
 
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Reply #23 - Dec 6th, 2003 at 8:49am

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just because britain is an island,it doesn't mean that it's not european...

I'm not saying that Silent. You're missing the point I was trying to make. I was referring to the different film industries. German films are different to French films which are different to British ones. Lumping them all together as "Euro" films is a mistake. There's no such thing as a typical ""European" film. Wink
 

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Reply #24 - Dec 6th, 2003 at 9:12am
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hm,mkay. but you haven't pointed that out so exactly the first time..Roll Eyes
 
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Reply #25 - Dec 6th, 2003 at 9:17am

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hm,mkay. but you haven't pointed that out so exactly the first time..Roll Eyes

I'm sorry but that was the precise point I was trying to make. I always try very hard to explain things as clearly as possible without confusing anyone. This isn't always so easy on an international forum. I must be slipping in my old age. ??? Cheesy
 

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Reply #26 - Dec 7th, 2003 at 2:55am

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As Rush Limbaugh would say, "I told you so".  We're in Music now.  How we got into movies/cinema I'll never know.

To Will, the staunchest defender of England next to Winston Churchill (and I mean that in a good way), the US is almost but not as bad as the UK in its adoption of classical tunes as secondary national anthems.

The Star Spangled Banner was based on a drinking tune.  So what?  I feel a rush of pride every time I hear it  I also share a sense of national pride when I hear "God Save The Queen" and "Oh, Canada".  I admit my ignorance in not knowing Germany's current national anthem but "Deutschland, Uber Alles", based on Haydn, also moved me.  There is a Protestant hymn based on the same tune.
 
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Reply #27 - Dec 7th, 2003 at 3:43am

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Hagar, you amaze me!!
How in the world can you post info on music and then say you don't know much about it?  Do you sit at the computer with a encyclopida? incredible!!
Didn't I see you on Jepordy once?
 
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Reply #28 - Dec 7th, 2003 at 4:50am

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Fretnstuff. I've been interested in music for as long as I can remember. That must be well over 50 years & among other things I was/am a musician myself.

I don't know much about modern "rock" music & have very little knowledge on classical. I checked my facts on Google before commenting in this thread to prevent making myself appear an idiot. The WWW is my encyclopedia. Cheesy
 

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Reply #29 - Dec 7th, 2003 at 5:15am

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Your knowledge is appreciated!!
I love learning something new everyday!!!!
 
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