I was quietly enjoying Holst's Planets Suite  (Jupiter) when I discovered that someone added "I Vow Thee My Country" (lyrics) to it.

Then I found that someone added "Land of Hope and Glory" to Pomp and Circumstace #1.

Can't you guys leave well enough alone?  What's next, rewriting Beethoven's (not English) 9th into "Joyful, Joyful, We Adore Thee"?

Now I'm kind of wondering about your second national anthem, Jerusalem.

And I just found another one - Opera Babes, Vittoria - wasn't the city actually named Vitoria (one T) and why is it in Italian (Spanish?) if the English won?

"I Vow To Thee My Country" is a hymn with the words by Cecil Spring-Rice added in 1918 to  the "Jupiter" section of Holst's Planet Suite - completed in 1916. The composer must have been aware of it & this was nothing unusual. Many much older hymns now thought of as traditional originated in a similar way. The words are patriotic but could apply equally to any country.

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The words of "Land of Hope and Glory" were added to Elgar's "Pomp and Circumstance" by the composer himself at the suggestion of the King. As Elgar was a loyal subject he could hardly object & was probably delighted to do it. It's very popular & played every year on the "Last Night of the Proms" at the Albert Hall. It's also used as the English anthem at the Commonwealth Games & other events as England has no official anthem of its own.

Did you ever hear Bobby Darin's recording of "Mac the Knife"?

I think the real question is, what is it about you brits and movies...like you know what they say about brit movies, they still make them but they still don’t make any money.

I should not make fun of that...like looks at us western people, some of us cant make a complete sentence properly.

When the music was used for "National hymns" it wasn't "classical music" it was simply the popular music of the day.

We have one National Anthem, no more and no less.  As Hagar says there are many songs and hymns out there with patriotic sounding words but that is the case with most countries.  To be accused of this by an American does seem to be a case of the pot calling the kettle black IMO.

And as for the movies question......  Whatever

Will

Thanks for the info, Hagar.  I knew Holst was a Brit despite his apparent Swedish name.

And I please hope no one will take any offense - fora are so wierd about this -  but I seriously wondered about people adding lyrics to classcial tunes.

Is the Beethoven 9th played over there?  I hear you were fond of the 5th.

No offence taken Jim - not by me anyway. I'm all for improving international relations & understanding our differences. I'm not really into classical music although I enjoy some & wish I knew more about it. Beethoven is always very popular & I'm sure his music is often featured in concerts. My daughter would be able to tell you as she's a classically trained musician with a BA Honours degree in music.

PS. I've never seen "Clockwork Orange" & have no desire to. The trailers I saw & reviews I've read were enough to put me off. I hate violence in any form & it's not my idea of entertainment.

I just wanted to discuss music. I thought a mod would dump me into the neverland of the music forum.  Now we're into movies.  OK, Clockwork Orange is my all time favorite because of the plot, politics (still relevant after 30 years), music and gratuitous sex and violence.

Geez, we could open a forum on any of these.

Ok, but I never seen any Euro movie that I liked.

Well, if you consider Legend of 1900 a Euro movie maybe.

As for Clockwork Orange I never seen it, so cant say much about it. I dont think I've seen any Rubrik films.