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Dec 6th, 2003 at 12:52pm

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How many of you people are interested in computer programing?

I see it as an interesting thing to learn.

I found a website called http://computer.howstuffworks.com/program.htm

I was surprised that there is a website that actually teaches people how to write their own programs. Not only that, it teaches about Java, Parcel, C, C++, and so on.

Right now, I'm trying to learn how to make my own program using Java.

If there is any computer programmer out there, can you please answer this question?

How do you get the applet viewer to work using the MS-DOS prompt?
 
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Reply #1 - Dec 6th, 2003 at 4:14pm

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congrats on starting programming

I do so much programing I love it but personaly I don't like java so I can't awnser jour question I workn with LANDMYN a lot on programing don't know if he knows java though might be worth msging him
 
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Reply #2 - Dec 6th, 2003 at 4:26pm

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I was learning C++, but had to put the book away after a couple years due to school + Flightschool.

I got to the point where I could write small terminal apps. Lots of fun! 8)
 
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Reply #3 - Dec 6th, 2003 at 7:30pm

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I know basic... and I'm learning C++ as part of my university degree.
I think it sucks Roll Eyes lol
 
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Reply #4 - Dec 6th, 2003 at 8:04pm

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Well, I was hoping to make my own little card game program.

I downloaded a Java SDK as well as the Java Documentation. It teaches me how to make programs.

The SDK came with a huge load of samples. They even included animations and clickable buttons. Very good and simple.

However, I am also thinking about learning C and C++ as well because I heard that these other programming languages allow you more control.

But, I prefer to just learn Java for now and learn the rest of the stuff in the USAF college. Besides, I don't quite understand this thing very well. It gets me mind-boggled. Tongue
 
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Reply #5 - Dec 6th, 2003 at 8:11pm
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I program in Basic.  It is a lot of fun. Smiley
 
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Reply #6 - Dec 6th, 2003 at 8:21pm

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too bad I can never get a C compiler that works
 
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Reply #7 - Dec 6th, 2003 at 8:25pm

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You can download a nice free C/C++ compiler from www.bloodshed.net

I highly recommend it! 8)
 
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Reply #8 - Dec 6th, 2003 at 9:35pm

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What can you do with Basic? I'm interested.

Hey Andrew.

Since that website provides free compilers for programmers, why the h377 is it named "Blood Shed"? Grin Grin Grin
 
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Reply #9 - Dec 6th, 2003 at 9:49pm

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I'm not quite sure if I really understand the original question...

are you trying to open a new window in windows using the java programming? Or are you just trying to get a program to run?

I took a class where we learned the basics of C++ and java as well as binary codes and such...Smiley

Can't help too much, but it would be worth a try... Smiley
 
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Reply #10 - Dec 6th, 2003 at 11:12pm

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Hey Andrew.

Since that website provides free compilers for programmers, why the h377 is it named "Blood Shed"? Grin Grin Grin


You got me. I've got no idea why an address like that would be used. My mom even freaked out when I told her the address Grin

...but the compiler is excellent.... Wink
 
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Reply #11 - Dec 7th, 2003 at 8:55am

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All my programming time has been using Zilog machine code language, using the Z80, (Zilog), processor.
That is the fastest sort of language, which writes directly to the processor.
Basic, C++, etc is an interperted language which is written in English. but has to be converted into machine code by being compiled first before run...(slow)...!

In the early days using slow processors, (3.5 Mhz), it was necessary to program in pure machine code for sheer speed, but today, with fast processors, the code can be written in a Bacic, etc, language for ease, and then compiled into machine code, (still not as fast as direct programming in machine code tho').... Wink...!

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Reply #12 - Dec 9th, 2003 at 6:49am

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I guess most the people in this forum can already program, i know i can.  I use C, C++(also using SDK), Pascal (Which is laugh:D) and generally all the internet ones; perl, html etc.

It is a lot faster programming it in near English than in machine code.  Especially when error checking.  Could you imagine a game in machine code, it would take years to make and it would be so full of bugs and look bad.  I think the newest generation of language is best.  When you compile the program it will set-up a machine code so the comp can understand it anyway.
 
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Reply #13 - Dec 9th, 2003 at 2:24pm

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I guess most the people in this forum can already program, i know i can.  I use C, C++(also using SDK), Pascal (Which is laugh:D) and generally all the internet ones; perl, html etc.

It is a lot faster programming it in near English than in machine code.  Especially when error checking.  Could you imagine a game in machine code, it would take years to make and it would be so full of bugs and look bad.  I think the newest generation of language is best.  When you compile the program it will set-up a machine code so the comp can understand it anyway.


HI Hyvry...!
In the olden days, (1970's, 1980's), it was necessary to write programs directly in machine code due to the slow speed of the processors available then.
The old Spectrum 48K, Commodore 64C, Amstrad 464, Oric Atmos, Atari, etc, etc, used processors which ran at a speed of about 3.5 Mhz.
All the commercial games designers programmed directly in machine code in those far-off days.
(Z80 code)...

LD (HL), nn
LD A, n
LD HL, A
RL
RET

Etc....

It took a long time, but remember the memory in those days was often only 16-48Kb in size so every effort had to be made to run the programs speedily and efficiently with limited memory available.
Basic, even compiled Basic, is memory hungry, and still has to be converted on the fly.... Cry...!

Machine code programming was/is a fascinating subject, and many teen-age, bedroom programmers, cut their teeth on it, and turned out to be top quality games prigrammers....Code masters, Activision, Ocean, Imagine, Softek, Fozzersoft, etc, etc....
Programming in C++, etc, is easy-peasy now, with fast processors and un-limited memory available...
...but it wasn't always like that... Wink...!
LOL...!

Paul.... a programmer from times long, long ago... Wink...!



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Reply #14 - Dec 9th, 2003 at 3:57pm

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Yeah i think it is amazing machine code!
I think the memory you said sounds about right.  Pascal is an old programming language, C++ is based on it. 

Have any of you guys seen the size of an old 1MB RAM card,  it is massive 17" long and 14" wide and 2" depth.  They fit is a massive slot and then screwed on at the back like a pci card is.
 
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