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Reply #15 - Dec 5th, 2003 at 11:58am

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I would be Commander Ryker. He gets in on all the away missions, gets in lots of fights and gets all the best looking women Wink
 

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Reply #16 - Dec 6th, 2003 at 4:32pm

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    Sounds in space? Oh well, that's Hollywierd for ya!
 
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Reply #17 - Dec 6th, 2003 at 6:03pm

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Reply #18 - Dec 6th, 2003 at 8:51pm

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Its the same with all space movies. Unfortunatly some people are not smart enough (Mainly hollywood fools) to relise that a powerfull laser would only make a small hissing sounds and 50/60hz buzzes. I think movies and computer games would be 100x better if they made ONLY those sounds  and made no sounds in space. But thats just me, I'm a stickler for realism,
 

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Reply #19 - Dec 7th, 2003 at 11:56am

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Yeah, as I recall, in Star Wars, the was a lot of fire in space... How can there be fire if there's no oxygen (or O2 for you scientific types...Tongue) to fuel it?

And for the sound, you can't have sound with no air for the waves to travel on... Undecided
 
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Reply #20 - Dec 7th, 2003 at 2:43pm

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The sound thing is an intentional mistake because it would seem strange to an earthling not to hear a sound.  Haven't you noticed that the Enterprise "wooshes" while travelling in space?

Looking out the windows the stars move at a pace that the ship could not possibly maintain.  To give you a sense of motion the producers can't just let them sit there.

2001 was much more realistic.  No unexplained artifical gravity for one thing. When Bowman crashes into the airlock there is no sound because there is no air.  But you wouldn't come back every week to watch a series based on 2001.
 
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Reply #21 - Dec 7th, 2003 at 3:00pm

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urmm those arnt stars that woosh past, its space dust thats magically bright:) and i would be more concerned that they travel in the wrong direction relative to the ships movement, especially on the next gen. The briefing room is where it happens most, the room is located on the side of the enterprise D and so the stars should move from right to left yet they move away from the ship, so unless the ship is warping sideways:)
like i said at the start, i am aware it was to avoid it getting boring, i was just confirming that it couldnt be heard if it were to become a reality:)
 
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Reply #22 - Dec 7th, 2003 at 9:48pm

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yes the charachter sulu was also from japan.
yes brensec your almost correct. Sulu wasnt used for weapons unless checkov was busy and vicea versa
remember guys who want tactical apart from DS9 where major kira took the role with odo, you'd also have to assume head of security:)

as for the airpistol i just looked it up, they could have used a tape recorder and played it back for all i know:)


Thanks mate, I didn't catch onto the bit about the Tactical person also being Head of Security on all the ships. (Not DS9, being a Station instead).  8) Shocked

The playing of sounds backwards on tape recorders was a very oft used effect in the mid '60's, thanks to the Beatle's (or rather George Martin) and their pioneering work in the Studio getting weird and wonderful new sounds and effects from doing this sort of thing.
It obviously flowed over into all areas of sound recording after the effects were heard by the multitudes.   Wink

Just a little 'tidbit' for the uninitiated!  Grin Wink
 

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Reply #23 - Dec 8th, 2003 at 11:59pm

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star wars has those outside sounds too... space movies would suck if there was no dramatic sound effects!
 
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Reply #24 - Dec 9th, 2003 at 9:53pm

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People, people! Of course they're gonna have sound effects in space! It's Hollywood!!! w/o the sound effects it wouldn't sound right (no pun intended)
 

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Reply #25 - Dec 11th, 2003 at 8:41am

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Hmmm,(Raises eyebrow, scratches chin) Interesting,........according to scientfic study, sound being the result of vibrations, in order to be heard by the human ear must hve a medium by which to reach the ear( air, water ect.) So in the void of space it is said to not be audible.
However(cocks head, raises eyebrow), since no one has actually had an open ear to the void of space,( and lived to tell about it) to test out this theory, it is unproven. So it may be that the vibration may very well travel anyway, through a void and reach an ear and be heard.
Hmmm,( raises eyebrow again, & folds arms) it may very well be also that in the void of space, that sound vibrations with nothing to impede their movement,..........may travel quite easily and upon striking the eardrum.............would be heard by it as a sound. Roll Eyes  Interesting,.................most interesting. Roll Eyes

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Reply #26 - Dec 11th, 2003 at 6:54pm
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Hey Sabrehawk
I am voting for you for science officer if this ever goes to a poll Grin
 
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Reply #27 - Dec 11th, 2003 at 7:54pm

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Reply #28 - Dec 11th, 2003 at 8:54pm

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Hmmm,(Raises eyebrow, scratches chin) Interesting,........according to scientfic study, sound being the result of vibrations, in order to be heard by the human ear must hve a medium by which to reach the ear( air, water ect.) So in the void of space it is said to not be audible.
However(cocks head, raises eyebrow), since no one has actually had an open ear to the void of space,( and lived to tell about it) to test out this theory, it is unproven. So it may be that the vibration may very well travel anyway, through a void and reach an ear and be heard.
Hmmm,( raises eyebrow again, & folds arms) it may very well be also that in the void of space, that sound vibrations with nothing to impede their movement,..........may travel quite easily and upon striking the eardrum.............would be heard by it as a sound. Roll Eyes  Interesting,.................most interesting. Roll Eyes

I'll take the Science Officers position. 8)



Sorry Sabre, there's no theory or doubt about the way in which sound travels. It is, as you said, tranferred from particle to particle over what ever distance the medium can maintain the vibration (or movement) for.   Grin Wink

This is born out simply by the fact that, for instance sound travels through water for greater distances, before loosing volume than it does in air, as the particles are closer together (the substance is denser).  8)

Apart from that, the 'science' of sound proofing by use of either materials with a low density or, ideally, the use of a vacuum (as used between two peices of glass, in sound resistant 'double glazing'), again prooves beyond any doubt that sound cannot be transferred without particles that are close enough together to 'pass' the vibration from one to another. Cheesy

As you say, no-one has ever been able to report, first hand, that sound won't travel in a vacuum (or in space, which is so close to a vacuum for this purpose, that it doesn't matter). However, as with many things, for which there is no personal experience to bear the proof, it is proven to be so by other means which are incontravertable.  Grin Wink


 

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Reply #29 - Dec 11th, 2003 at 9:30pm

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Hmmm,(raises eyebrow, and smiles) The Professor has spoken. Grin(Cocks head, scratches chin, folds arms..........and walks slowly away to quarters to ponder.)I shall have to give it further study.......... Grin
 

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