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Music cheaters! (Read 2275 times)
Dec 3
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, 2003 at 9:33pm
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The other day, i was listening to my mom's radio station, and to my biggest surprise, i hear this song.... It started just like a rap song from eminen called "stan", but as it kept playing, it was different somehow!
. A woman came out singing in the song, and most of the song was different(in the words) but the background song was just like the eminen one ???. This is not the first song that has done this. There another country singger that "copied" a rap song!
. And what's even most amasing of all, i have heard spainsh songs based on an american song!!! With the background sound, and theme the same as the song "I gotta get through this"!
. I cant belive this!
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I believe your thinking of the song by Dido and Eminem. I'm not entirely sure of the legality of it all but i assume that the two artists agreed and they have made a song outta two songs.
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I love YaBB 1G - SP1!
I believe they were two seperate songs to begin with also,
I noticed that Kid Rock uses quite a few riffs from Metallica, I cant name the songs though right off hand...
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Welcome to the world of Corporate Music!
There are no musicians anymore!! Just a bunch of suits telling people what to play.
Look at this "New Metal " crap!!
I'll turn on the radio and all I hear is Nickelback or is it Three Doors Down? I don't know everybody sounds the same!!
And this Rap or hip hop whatever it is they call it, what is up with that? Not one of the songs (using the term loosely!) is original, listen to them all of them use music that was written 10-20 years ago, they just add some spitting and UH!UH! too them.
To the younger crowd, there is a bunch of guys in suits that "make" the music, they steal someone else's music tell a singer (once again term used loosely!) to sing it and we will make money, wise up they think you are stupid!!
There is no such thing as real music anymore, same goes for country, R&B, POP etc.
Can you name one artist (used loosely again!) that is selling any of this crap that will be still recording anything in 5 years? No, because they won't!
You want to hear real music from groups with staying power and origianality, REAL musicians!
Check out the KISS/Aerosmith tour, there is real music.
As far as this TOOL, 3 doors down, Limb Biscuit , or any other "new metal" throw it out now because you aren't holding on to anything that will be worth a penny in a year or so.
Metallica was at one time a great metal legend until the suits got to them now look at them ,ST.Anger I'll tell you who is angry me and a million or so other Ex-Metallica fans.
Corperate music sucks and will not last. The '80s were the time to be growing up, with real music rock and roll and metal! All real all original and all here to stay!
If you want to really get into listening to real music then start in the early 70's and work on up to the early 90's.
Here's another example: Shiniaw Twain (or however you spell it) Not one of her songs she has wrote herself, not to mention you listen to one of her songs you have heard them all, each album is the same song with some words changed, who is buying this? someone must be because she keeps making the same record over and over! I know who is buying it prepubesent boys!! Yes I'll admit if I was just becoming a "man" I would buy it to just for the pictures.
What is it with these Hip Hop dudes always saying "Keeping it real"? Keeping what real? There is nothing that they do that is real.
Point is they no longer sell real music and no one new is creating it. Real music is coming from the bands and artist that have been around for 20 + years, but you don't hear much advertising or promotional stuff about them because the fans know. Music now is created for the 12- 16 year olds who in another few years will grow up and realize they have been ripped off and cheated.
So my advice to the younger generation:
If it is advertised and out on sale and talked about on Entertainment Tonight and shoved in your face everywhere you look (Britney Spears is a good example)
It is not worth wasting your time or money on!
And boys remember Britney will be old and saggy with bad teeth in a few more years!!
And a note to B1a2rrios: Chances are that the song was the same but Eminem probably stole it from her!
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actually the song your thinking of is Thank you by Dido, She wrote the song first, eminem heard it in a movie and asked her if she would mind if he used it for Stan, And then they went through an entire tour together and so on.
As for kid rock i think he has only used two metalica riffs just cant remember which:)
just remember to do some research guys:)
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What Fretnsuff said. People with no talent making a good living by stealing other people's hard work. Dead easy ain't it. Hear something you like, sample the riff & use it as a backing track. No originality - nothing. Too much of this seems acceptable now. I call it piracy - plain & simple. I dread to think where it will all end.
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not every copied song is bad...as long as you bring some new ideas in or play it in a different way.
examples:
nickelback and kid rock - saturday night (is all right for fightin')
quicksand - how soon is now
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Most covers p!ss me off for instance some prat has just covered "Behind Blue eyes" and another "group" one f these TV wannabe thingies has just ripped off "Happy Christmas" (JohnLennon, "War is over") and I'm pretty sure theres a version of "Imagine" doing the rounds
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But what really gets to me are manufactured groups such as "Busted", 3 guys prettending to be a rock band, when theyre friggin teeny boppers. They clearly don't play their own music as they often use chrods that require 3 hands, notes are heard before theyre struck and more/fewer time than they are played
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As for kid rock i think he has only used two metalica riffs just cant remember which:)
American
Bad Ass us a direct copy of Sad but true... thats all i know of, but i hade kid rock.
I have no problem with
bands
covering songs other bands wrote, as long as the origional writers and performers are given full credit and given royalties for it. Its when you spend months writing a song and then have someone make a dance / rap song out of it and give nothing to whoever did it!
That sickens me because all you hear on europiean radio is dance, or rap, R&B etc. and very little rock music you get pop-grunge and softer nu-metal like Linkin Park and Nickelback, but thats not real rock music. Those who have true tallent (like being able to play a musical instrument, or sing, or both at the same time) have very little respect among the general public, and i think they need to be made aware of the other types of music.
Whats becoming a more increasing part of music is sex, not love, just raw S E X, and that also does my head in. You ask a random person in the street who they like they say Britney Spears or Westlife... why??? "Cos they look gourgous". They go on stage and mime about getting off with a girl / guy, and its all the same. At least with bands like Metallica, KoRn etc have a deeper meaning to their music. Notice i said 'mime'. The suits choose them to mime on stage because theres going to be a million screaming girls / guys who want to stare at them. Its like prono!
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Remember that was the same with the Monkees (assuming your age!) , but at least they learned how to play and went on tour!
Actually sound real good when I saw them!!
But that is it all fake!!
And ripping off Lennon!!!! That deserves the death sentence!!
You will hear one of these "fakes" do a Lennon song , and forget it in five minutes.
You listen to Lennon do the song and you remember it for life!
By the way Insane Clown Posse- What is that all about?
And I was (still am) called a freak for listening to KISS!
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For all the younger simmers:
Remember if you hear it on the radio today it will be gone tommorow!
The real music never gets airplay, or sometimes you might be lucky and tune in at the right time when the rebelious DJ is working.
The reason the real stuff isn't on the radio is because of the "suits".
And one more thing: Pull your pants up! You look rediculous!
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The real music never gets airplay
try useing the scan button on your radio, I have three stations I can pickup that constantly play the music you are referring to as "the real music", and I can not stand to listen to any of them.
Music is a personal choice kinda thing, think about it.
your parents probably didn't like the music you liked when you were growing up, just like their parents probably didn't like the music they liked when they were growing up. Really guys, how much bickering do we have to do to figure out that no matter what anyone says, I will listen to the music I like, and you will listen to the music you like, nothing either one of us can say to change the others mind about what good music is. This argument is almost as old as music itself is, when are we gonna let it die.
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They use to make music
and now they don't
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Music is a personal choice kinda thing, think about it.
It's true! I mean, i like most rap songs while some others hate them to death. Imagine the world with only rap songs
...Just think of this: If the only music in the world would be "real music", we would probably have about couple houndred music CDs! and i think today's teens(and some men) would certainly hate like most of those songs; and the whole world would get tired of listening to the same songs. So i think that as long as they keep making new songs, and the people like those songs, it's not really a matter of coping music from other people.
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Here's another example: Shiniaw Twain (or however you spell it) Not one of her songs she has wrote herself,
Actually Shania Twain writes all her own music along with her producer/husband.
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As far as this TOOL, 3 doors down, Limb Biscuit , or any other "new metal" throw it out now because you aren't holding on to anything that will be worth a penny in a year or so.
These three bands have already been around quite a while and still sell very well when they put out something new.
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The '80s were the time to be growing up, with real music rock and roll and metal! All real all original and all here to stay!
Yes, the 80's were cool, but even then you had a lot of industry created music, it just so happened that metal had a good grip on the spotlight during that period, there was still Rap and Pop music like New Kids on the Block.
As far as all of the 80's bands being here to stay, that's not entirely true, most of the bands that were big in the 80's are either disbanded or touring nightclubs in some diluted form of the original lineup.
Personally I listen to most everything and try not to be too critical of any of it, if I don't like a song on the radio I change the station, very simple.
Most all the music that is being attacked here is the top 40 stuff, radio plays this stuff into the ground, and a lot of times I hear a song I like and a few weeks later I can't stand it because I hear it so much.
For as long as I can remember (including the 80's) most of the best music is indeed ignored by radio, you have to find the stuff by word of mouth, reading magazines or some other method, if you are lucky you might live in an area that has a radio station that plays underground and some of the more obscure music.
Overall I think there is a good mix of music sharing the charts, bands like Korn, P.O.D., and Limp Biscuit right next to Missy Elliot, Ludacris and Britney, these are just examples and I do not necessarily like all the music these folks are recording.
Don't get me wrong, I too could be very critical and rant about how the music industry is unfair to truly talented musicians, that's just the way it is, complaining doesn't do any good, you just have to seek out the music you love and try to turn others on to it.
There is a lot of music I listen to that will never get played on the radio, but the musicians are making some of the most original music out there. I also listen to the popular music too, I would hate to fall out of touch with what's going on, this may not matter to some people, but I have always been very open minded to all music and intend to keep it that way.
Just hang on, the industry will evolve again just like it always does, and 10 years from now who knows what will be popular, I can promise you that no matter what happens in the music industry, you will always have music that is making millions of dollars dominating the charts and millions of people complaining about it.
Listen to what you like, that's the only thing you can really do, and always remember you can change the station, or pop in a CD.
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I'm sorry but even after reading my own posting I realize that the way I put it is rather one sided.
I do have a hard time of explaining myself and what I mean so others can understand me.
One thing is my definition of "real music" is:
Music that the artist has created themselves, granted there are great songwriters that can't play a lick, or sing, their specialty is writting. And they depend on the musician to record and play it for the world too hear and I'm all for that.
My beef is the "fake", the corperate run "bands" or "fads" the stuff that won't last ,the stuff that I don't understand how anyone can call it music.
Music has went from a form of expression and feeling to "this song is great and meaningfull and expresses the way I feel, but the kids won't like it" or "the radio won't play it".
Music isn't about music anymore!
I know that music has been industry run forever, and each generation has had thier own form or style, some that have hung in there and some that have blowen off the face of the earth. But music now is aimed at the 12- 14 year old people.
And for bands that are trying to get a start, it is harder than ever to even record, you have the suits telling you how you should record, what songs you should record etc.
this advice coming from one who probably never played a instrument or wrote a song ever.
Yes it is all about money plain and simple. And because of that the world is missing out on great music because someone in a office said that the radio won't play it , or the "kids" won't buy it etc. Trash it!
I remember when people joked about Milli Vinnili and how they were bashed for being fake, well I hate to tell you they are alive and well in spirit, turn on MTV or the radio they they are, they just look different.
I do agree to all forms of music though my post might not show it, I can basically listen to anything and I have my likes and dislikes. And by no means do I want to sound like I'm trying to tell people mine are any more important than thiers. I may be misunderstood but these are my opinions and should mean nothing to others.
Unfortanatly I'm here in East Tenneesee and there is no such thing as a good radio station or varity, you have country,classic rock, hip-hop, gospel. All play the same songs over and over again.
So maybe the new topic should be (this idea came to me from a local rock station ad that claims to have the largest classic rock collection in the world!)
If a band can record a couple hundred songs, why do you only play one of them?
Thank god for cd's and MP3's!!
Final thought:
Music should be experianced not force fed, if you like it fine , if I don't who cares!!
To each his own and that is the way it should be!
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You have to keep in mind also that the music industry does not force anyone to buy anything, when Britney or Justin Timberlake (or any of the other "manufactured performers") sells millions of CD's, it's because that's what the masses are buying, regardless of talent or lack of, people love to dance, so anything with a dance beat sells.
Another thing to think about is the fact that most people are not musicians, they could care less about who wrote a song or who is performing it, if it sounds cool to them they buy it, I would have to say the majority of the music buying public would fall into this category, that's why the music you may not care for is so popular, you probably look a lot deeper and try to find the true talent of a musician, and I agree that most truly talented musicians get very little recognition, but that doesn't keep you or I from enjoying their music, and I'm sure those real musicians appreciate the fans spending their hard earned dollars to buy a CD in a way that the mega-superstars have long since forgotten about (or maybe never even knew) while they drown in their pools full of Benjamins, huge cribs and bling-bling.
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I have a pretty wide taste in music & never objected to anything providing it's original & well performed. I don't mind new versions of old songs & like some myself - providing they're not exact cover versions of the original with the same arrangement. I never saw the point of that as to my mind the original is invariably better in every way.
What I do object to is these people ripping off other musician's stuff wthout crediting the original authors or giving them some form of payment. It seems that this is perfectly legal. Well, that might be so but I find it immoral to say the least. I realise that morality means little these days.
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OMG people, you are really into this music thing...
. I just got the opinion that new music is always welcomed. I know this music-copying thing is kinda messed up, but well, some people rather hear the copy than the original..so.... It's all about enjoying music!
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B1a2rrios your right it is enjoying music and like I said that my opinion is mine and mine alone that is what make this country great use your freedom of speech while you still have it!!
And what Hagar said about the copying (stealing) do any of you remember Vanilla Ice.
He ripped of the fine work of Queen/Bowie, that is where I remember this stealing trend starting but I'm know it has happened before then, but this one was when it really made people relize it was happening.
I'm not at all against one artist using another artist song, as long as it is done with the permission of the person responsiable for the effort.
I to have heard some covers that were performed better than the original.
And I hate to say it but do you know that some Iron Maiden songs sound really cool performed by the Boston pops orchrestra?
I guess there is a right way and a wrong way to go about using someone else's work to your benifit.
B1a2rrios:
Yes new music is always welcome, that is why I love this site it allows you to voice your opinion, ask for help and just have fun without prejuduce!
And the occasional slap in the face and wake up and smell the coffee is wecome too.
God I love this place!!
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P.S. You really want to fire me up start talking about censorship!!
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Fretnstuff. From what I've said you know I feel as strongly on this issue as you.
On the subject of censorship & freedom of speech I would remind you that:
1. This is a private forum with its own simple rules set by the webmaster of SimV. Basically, the members agree to abide by those rules. The forum moderators are allowed a restricted form of censorship & can delete anything they judge as unsuitable or likely to cause offence. This power is fortunately rarely used due to the good sense of the moderators & general membership.
2. This is an international forum with members from all over the world. One country's laws do not apply here & are no more or less important than the laws of another.
OK. Let the discussion continue.
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"One country's laws do not apply here & are no more or less important than the laws of another."
even the ones like it being illegal for a frog to croak (sp) after midnight in Mississipi, or it being perfectly legal to shoot a Scotsman with a bow in York on a Sunday
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"One country's laws do not apply here & are no more or less important than the laws of another."
even the ones like it being illegal for a frog to croak (sp) after midnight in Mississipi, or it being perfectly legal to shoot a Scotsman with a bow in York on a Sunday
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LOL Craig. You have to watch everything you say around here or some bright spark is just waiting for the opportunity to pounce. I'm quite certain you got the gist of where I'm coming from.
PS. Just be careful if you venture anywhere near York on a Sunday. I'm really rather fond of you & wouldn't wish you to come to any permanent harm.
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i can understand that frog croaking after midnight in MS one:) having spent a while there, it sure as hell gets annoying. although be nice to see the cops get on with the job of finding those frogs:)
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Hagar,
I understand the rules of this site and don't consider anything the moderators might deem unappropriate censorship.
The reason for this is because I was given the rules ahead of time and understand that if I were to say or do anything unappropriate that I might be banned.
The Censorship I refer to is the kind that the government or censorship groups try to force on you, where you don't have the choice.
I was given the rules for this site and I respect them that is why I'm here, if the rules offended me I would not be. I understand the purpose of this site is "family friendly" and do agree somethings should not be here.
And because of that I send thanks too the moderators, they have a hard job and a weight on their shoulders having to decide what or what not should be posted here.
A job I would not want.
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So much for frogs!
Where i live, trains make noise all the time, and belive me, it's really loud
. I certainly wouldnt mind frogs...
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The Censorship I refer to is the kind that the government or censorship groups try to force on you, where you don't have the choice.
I know what are you talking about fretnstuff. It's not cool living in a place like that.
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i had a friend who lived right next to a train line, would come by pretty fast all the time, nothing more than a dull rumble, and the occasional horn, and that was one 30 feet away. dont know what type of trains go by yours so who knows:) i do know american trains tend to be a little louder, but double glazed windows should sort that out.
Side note it works for the 737-200 that flys over my house at 1500ft twice a day to ireland. noisy little thing that:)
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Would that make it legal to shoot a scottish frog with a bow
croaking after midnight on Sunday in Mississippi?
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Also makes you wonder what the officials were drinking when they made a law like that! How would you enforce a law against frogs?
Also my Grandma lived by the tracks and I loved it, but airplanes are cooler than trains for me!
Next week I'm moving into my new apartment.
It is inside a hanger at the local airport. My boss just bought it and is going to rent it out to me, bigger than where I'm at now.
AH!! The feeling of waking up with a cup of coffee and the sound of airplanes!! By the way the porch has a awesome view!!
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Sounds almost too perfect for an aviation nut. While we're off-topic how about this. I once met a Canadian who has a holiday home built alongside the runway at a gliding club field in Florida. He spends the winter there & keeps his sailplane, speedboat & golf cart in the garage.
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Ah! It must be nice to have money!
My vacation home is in the Alps, I fly there every weekend.
I guess M$ has done one thing right , they have given us the ability to dream of a near perfect world!!
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Also makes you wonder what the officials were drinking when they made a law like that! How would you enforce a law against frogs?
AH!! The feeling of waking up with a cup of coffee and the sound of airplanes!! By the way the porch has a awesome view!!
LOL!
IM still thinking about that frog law man....
Hey man, i think that you are about to experience the ultimate pilot dream....Live close to your job. Getting the sudden chill from an airplane taking off...The sound, the view, it's everything for a true pilot
. Enjoy, and try to get us some of those awsome views you got there..
You MUST be able to fly choppers!!!
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Well unfortantly I'm a cabinet maker by trade, but I'm currently working on my pilot's liscence. (might not get it if I can't spell it right!)
My boss just bought a Diamond Star, beauty!! And also got the hanger at the same time. I talked him into geting the one with the apartment, used the I can keep a eye on your plane when your not there line. So he took the bait and i have a dream apartment.
But he assured me that I won't have access to keys for the plane, I guess my late night flight plans are cancelled
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late night plans heh
.....lolol... well, at leaat you got the house man....
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You MUST be able to fly choppers!!!
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